pnh102
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| That's the Price of Living In the Middle of Nowhere
I suppose in such places that the nearest grocery store or McDonalds is a good hike away. There might also be no water or sewage service either, or any trash pickup for that matter. Perhaps this paper could write another useless article telling people what they already know.
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jhh
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Fargo, ND | In north dakota you have communities under 500 with fiber or at least 1 meg dsl. It all comes down your local governments ability to keep the qwests out of the area and staying with a cooperative. |
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TKJunkMail
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This comment by the reporter does bring up an interesting question:
The cost of the equipment alone ranges between $300 to $600 and that doesn't touch the monthly bill. The monthly bill can run about $50 or more. I'll bet many, if not most, of these people who would supposedly balk at this upfront cost have satellite TV access from DirecTV or Dish and have laid out an equivalent fee upfront for TV access. I guess it depends on what your priorities are.
Also, modern browsers can counteract that latency issue by using their built-in feature to preload links on a page so that the delay isn't there. Also a good browser caching algorithm can cut down on problems while using satellite internet access.
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pnh102
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said by jhh  :In north dakota you have communities under 500 with fiber or at least 1 meg dsl. It all comes down your local governments ability to keep the qwests out of the area and staying with a cooperative. Well, if fiber and broadband is that important to someone, then they should move to where such services are provided.
Articles like these remind me of people who move to small towns because they like the quaintness and other silly things. These people then start whining when they do have to drive 20 miles to the grocery store, 10 miles to get gas, 30 miles to the bank, etc. It is not the fault of these companies that said people chose to live so far away from civilization.
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bdsdc
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Allen, TX | Well said. I used to be in that boat, living in a small town because we thought it would be a great place to grow up, when all it did was make other life more enviable and ours frustrating. |
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aelfwyne
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Hell... Nacogdoches is a college town, not quite as middle of nowhere as this makes it sound.
If you live within the city area, you have DSL/Cable like everyone else (I did when I lived there). Outside of town, it is true, you do not have access to high speed internet. It is rural in the south and east sense of rural - not in the West sense of rural. There's no way, for example, to get lost for days in East TX unless you're dumb. Keeping going in a straight line and you'll find somebody somewhere. It's a crowded rural.
That said, yeah, dialup is probably best. Cingular offers very good cell phone coverage of the area - even the rural bits - but cell internet isn't going to be on the new data networks, so it'll be no faster than a telephone. |
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LoneGreyWolf
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said by TKJunkMail :This comment by the reporter does bring up an interesting question: The cost of the equipment alone ranges between $300 to $600 and that doesn't touch the monthly bill. The monthly bill can run about $50 or more. I'll bet many, if not most, of these people who would supposedly balk at this upfront cost have satellite TV access from DirecTV or Dish and have laid out an equivalent fee upfront for TV access. I guess it depends on what your priorities are. Also, modern browsers can counteract that latency issue by using their built-in feature to preload links on a page so that the delay isn't there. Also a good browser caching algorithm can cut down on problems while using satellite internet access. I balk at that price as well as the price for the service itself when used inconjunction with the FAP. Not sure what Sat service your talking about, but the price for us to get Sat TV here in NY was a total of $50 with the 1 year commitment that they have (not like we have much choice when it comes to TV).
Back to the service itself and the FAP. We're a family of 7 total in this house. Two adults and 5 children. Three of the children are now in school and computer type homework is very much on the rise. Now think about 5 of us trying to stay under the FAP of say Direcway? It would never happen. My wife and while we download music here and there, it's not a pastime of ours, we could easily go over the FAP. It's designed for light browsers and e-mail people, not a family such as ours. Wildblue, while we're unable to get it here as of right now, would be much worse.
We moved here with the notion from Verizon that DSL would be here within a year of us moving. We were pressed for a place to live and only had 30 days to find a place. Long story short, we moved 6 hours away from where we were and still waiting for a service that we're very unlikely to see. People say, if you want broadband, just move. It really isn't that simple of a thing to do, especially not with a large family. Plus, broadband isn't a high enough priority to make us move. The negatives of moving far outweigh the positives here.
So please, think before you tell someone to just move, it isn't always such an easy thing to do.
Tkjunkmail, the move part isn't directed at you. |
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Jonbo298
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Council Bluffs, IA | reply to pnh102
Agreed. Live in the rural area, don't expect to get the best things around. Thats the price you pay for not being around people. Deal with it, or move to suburbia america where you can get options. Don't whine. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by LoneGreyWolf :I balk at that price as well as the price for the service itself when used in conjunction with the FAP. Back to the service itself and the FAP. We're a family of 7 total in this house. Two adults and 5 children. Three of the children are now in school and computer type homework is very much on the rise. Now think about 5 of us trying to stay under the FAP of say Direcway? It would never happen. My wife and while we download music here and there, it's not a pastime of ours, we could easily go over the FAP. It's designed for light browsers and e-mail people, not a family such as ours. The download MB/time limits(FAP) do restrict you somewhat. And if you are going to try and get into lots of P2P access, you would be limited in your access. But according to this web site(not a DirecWay site), you really will be able to do most things fairly well. »www.copperhead.cc/fap.htm
While not the ultimate best solution, the satellite internet option is viable for many people without access to cable, DSL, or wireless infrastructures. And the amount of money(while not trivial) is definitely affordable for most. It is surely cheaper than moving. 
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said by pnh102 :I suppose in such places that the nearest grocery store or McDonalds is a good hike away. There might also be no water or sewage service either, or any trash pickup for that matter. Perhaps this paper could write another useless article telling people what they already know. i dont have water or sewer from the city(besides city water tastes like pool water), but im in the suburbs with DSL and Cable avail.
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pnh102
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said by LoneGreyWolf :We moved here with the notion from Verizon that DSL would be here within a year of us moving. We were pressed for a place to live and only had 30 days to find a place. Long story short, we moved 6 hours away from where we were and still waiting for a service that we're very unlikely to see. People say, if you want broadband, just move. I just bought a house myself, and the first thing on the list of qualifiers was broadband, if a listing's address did not come up in either Verizon's database or did not have cable modem service, it was off the list.
Now there will always be a few exceptions to every rule, but for most situations, the availability or lack of a particular service is a function of one's own choice.
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LoneGreyWolf
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| said by pnh102 :said by LoneGreyWolf :We moved here with the notion from Verizon that DSL would be here within a year of us moving. We were pressed for a place to live and only had 30 days to find a place. Long story short, we moved 6 hours away from where we were and still waiting for a service that we're very unlikely to see. People say, if you want broadband, just move. I just bought a house myself, and the first thing on the list of qualifiers was broadband, if a listing's address did not come up in either Verizon's database or did not have cable modem service, it was off the list. Now there will always be a few exceptions to every rule, but for most situations, the availability or lack of a particular service is a function of one's own choice. I understand that, but if you read what I wrote, then you will see we were told by Verizon that we would have DSL within a years time. We were being forced out of our apartment because the landlord wasn't renewing the lease, we had 30 days to get out, we had 3 children at the time, we couldn't be picky. A house that we would own presented itself, so we jumped at it with the notion from Verizon, lesson learned, never trust Verizon. |
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Techman21
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Most people usually have more than 30 days to find a place to live, assuming they've got their ducks in a row. I'm not saying you didn't but it seems to me the circumstances of your move were a little odd. When my parents moved us from a rental house we knew well in advance when we were moving, where moving, etc.
A move is indeed a large a huge thing. But my earlier posts about people moving, etc. Deals with people who had the chance to move to a place that was more populated and had broadband. Meaning they would have had plenty of time to research. And don't ever ever go on what a company "says" they are going to do. Go by what people in the neighborhood already have or what the teclo/cable company already provides.
As far as homework on the PC is concerned no school I know has demanded or required a student to own a PC or internet access. Libraries and schools are more than well equipped for this. Especially once you get to college. College prof. have no sympathy (for the most part) when students come in and say my internet access pooped out, [insert some other PC issue], so really there are no excuses in those areas. No matter how often I wish there were lol. As much as I or any other student procrastinate its still their own fault for not doing the work when they had time.
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Why don't we all just moved to uburbia so we can have broadband. It's not like we need people in rural areas to produce the one thing none of us can live without. I once knew a schoolteacher who had this mentality, " Why don't these people just move to town and do like everybody else, buy their food at the grocery store." One smart school teacher there.
Farming has become so much more technical than in the past and broadband is becomung more needed than many have a clue. |
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LoneGreyWolf
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We actually had no prior notice that we were being kicked out. He had other plans for the apartment that included him in it, so we were given 30 days, to which we couldn't fight as that's the minimum he had to give. We were pressed for time and had to find something large enough to house, at that time, 5 people.
As of right now, your right, no one is forced to have a computer, but last year, my son was in first grade, he had homework that was to be done on a computer if you had one (with parental assistance). Our local library is on dial-up and over 10 miles away, so it's not like he can just walk or ride his bike there, plus it's no better off then we are with the connection and the school library as far as I know closes before 5pm.
Funny you should mention college. My english1010 professor actually did give me extensions on assignments because of my connection. He understood that I could rarely stay long enough after classes to get anything done and that my connection didn't do to well when researching articles for assignments. I can't begin to tell you how many page timeouts and large PDF downloads I came across to do one paper. He took pity on me and allowed me extensions. I thanked him profusely for allowing me those extensions. |
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Sgtslaughtr
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Knox, IN | reply to pnh102
Typical city dweller, you think the world revolves around you. I live in the boonies and I get 768/5000 DSL. The only problem is what a previous poster said about local governments. |
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markopoleo
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You are pretty uninformed about why people live in small towns. Little known fact, people can't AFFORD to live in cities, or jobs are better in smaller areas.
Being a small area does not mean you should or could not have same services as a city. I live in a small town of 4k people and have super fast internet access, everything a big city goes i have.
You sound like one of the guys who say "Dude, just get broadband" to everyone who complains of high pings... |
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insomniac84
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said by Sgtslaughtr :I live in the boonies and I get 768/5000 DSL. I guess in the boonies ISPs give you tons of upload but screw you on the download. |
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Your perception is flawed. Farming is a business, and just like businesses in "the big city", they need to research business services. Nobody said a hardline isn't available there, they said consumer broadband isn't.
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said by TKJunkMail :Also, modern browsers can counteract that latency issue by using their built-in feature to preload links on a page so that the delay isn't there. Also a good browser caching algorithm can cut down on problems while using satellite internet access. BBR does not like preloading... I was advised of such when I used Google Accelerator.  So I dumped it.
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