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Combat Chuck
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Re: Telecos behind....
said by ropeguru  :Ahhh... So the citizen is supposed to suffer with no options until big bad telco thinks it is time for them to finally get around to providing something. Did I say that...no.
said by ropeguru :I still say it is "scorched earth tactics" no matter how you look at it. Just because you say it doesn't make it true.
said by ropeguru :It just only goes further to prove the mentality of big business and their childish antics. They will noever grow up and always only be thinking about the money. As opposed to your childish mentality that they should just build out without consideration of being a good steward of their investors money, because the people gots teh have their broadband.
said by ropeguru :It used to be this country was a country of innovation and chances on new things. It still is but there's a big difference between taking a chance and throwing money at something you know you can't sustain.
said by ropeguru :Now, it is only about satifying the short term investor and no one has the ability to see long term anymore. Well when it's your money on the line you can do what you please with it, including investing in a company and choosing to remove your money should said company take a loss over an extended period of time waiting on expensive capital investments to pay out.
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| said by Combat Chuck :said by ropeguru :Ahhh... So the citizen is supposed to suffer with no options until big bad telco thinks it is time for them to finally get around to providing something. Did I say that...no. In those exact words, no, you didn't. But by making statements that the telcos have the right to protect themselves by fighting any other competition when they, themselves, are not planning on providing the service, then you are saying that the citizens should just suffer.
said by Combat Chuck :said by ropeguru :I still say it is "scorched earth tactics" no matter how you look at it. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. It is not jsut me saying. The actions of the telcos spending millions of dollars to fight something instead of using the money to build out the system and just provide the service, says so.
said by Combat Chuck :said by ropeguru :It just only goes further to prove the mentality of big business and their childish antics. They will noever grow up and always only be thinking about the money. As opposed to your childish mentality that they should just build out without consideration of being a good steward of their investors money, because the people gots teh have their broadband. So now I see it is me being childish. If they are being good stewards to their investors, they would not being wasting the investors money by spending millions fight somehting they do not plan on providing in the first place.
said by Combat Chuck :said by ropeguru :It used to be this country was a country of innovation and chances on new things. It still is but there's a big difference between taking a chance and throwing money at something you know you can't sustain. Used to be lots of companies took those chances. But because they have started letting short sighted day traders completely take over, they can no longer look into the long term and plan for the future. The fight that Verizon's cCEO has had on his hands with investors proves that point. I am totally surprised they have not ousted him by now.
said by Combat Chuck :said by ropeguru :Now, it is only about satifying the short term investor and no one has the ability to see long term anymore. Well when it's your money on the line you can do what you please with it, including investing in a company and choosing to remove your money should said company take a loss over an extended period of time waiting on expensive capital investments to pay out. See my answer above.
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Combat Chuck
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| said by ropeguru :In those exact words, no, you didn't. But by making statements that the telcos have the right to protect themselves by fighting any other competition when they, themselves, are not planning on providing the service, then you are saying that the citizens should just suffer. Nope, I never said that. Cool off, take a step back and reread what I said.
said by ropeguru :It is not jsut me saying. The actions of the telcos spending millions of dollars to fight something instead of using the money to build out the system and just provide the service, says so. The issue is bigger than just the one area, neighborhoods don't exist in a vacuum.
said by ropeguru :So now I see it is me being childish. If they are being good stewards to their investors, they would not being wasting the investors money by spending millions fight somehting they do not plan on providing in the first place. Ah but there again you still insist that they have no intention of building into the area. Just because an area is not profitable now doesn't mean it won't be if they wire the neighboring areas. They're paying money now to attempt to protect future potential income, which they probably think is a better investment than wiring the area with current technology and letting it bleed money.
said by ropeguru :Used to be lots of companies took those chances. But because they have started letting short sighted day traders completely take over, they can no longer look into the long term and plan for the future. The fight that Verizon's cCEO has had on his hands with investors proves that point. I am totally surprised they have not ousted him by now. Funny how you like to talk about investors, and by extension Verizon, being short sighted. Yet you can't see that the whole reason they are fighting muni's in areas they aren't currently interested in is because they are looking to the future; a future where for instance it might be profitable to wire an adjacent area knowing that it gives them options to wire the development we're currently talking about.
And yes Verizon is making decisions based on what their investors want because their investors can take their money elsewhere if they don't, leaving Verizon with nothing. What do you expect them to do; just tell their investors to piss off, bury the money in someones yard and hope no one comes after them?
I'm not defending what Verizon does; it's just that you want to take this into the realm of the emotional; the CEO in his black tower throwing darts at a map to decide who he screws today just for the fun of it, when it's not. It's the CEO in his boardroom trying to protect a future stream of income because it puts his company in a better position for the future. It's no different that union members going on strike to because they don't like their retirement plan and insurance.
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wentlanc
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| People will not sit around and wait until "some day" to get services that other areas get today. And they should not have to just because some company wants to cherry pick who it is giving access to, and when. Make a commitment, and give a timeline. If they said we will service that area, but buildout is not until next year... I think people would be ok with that. But they want to pass up the area as unprofitable, but we don't want anyone else to sneak in while we aren't doing anything.
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