btkenashape
@net.my
| Azu 2.5.0.0 RC4 Encryption Forced BUT STILL TMNET managed to im using Azu 2.5.0.0 with RC4 Encryption Forced BUT STILL TMNET managed to shape my bt traffic, how is this possible?
ive tried with many different torrents with thousands of seeds and still only doing 5kB/s.
also, my web download is normal, i can download my antivirus definition at 45-50kB/s, im a RM66 customer.
anyone know what to do? | |
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Centrilium
Totoro
Premium
join:2002-11-21
MY
| Re: Azu 2.5.0.0 RC4 Encryption Forced BUT STILL TMNET managed to Don't even think of upgrading to the 1mbps package.TMnet continues to con us more by the day.
We 1mbps package users are only getting what you 512kbps users get at with HTTP downloads most times in the day (basically it's a lame 512k line or less during peak hours) and the same crap BT throttling which everyone curses.
BT connections overseas go no more than 1kBps per peer if you take a look at your international peer downloads.
You have indeed chosen the right package to go with.Don't pay the extra RM22 for nothing. | |
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sashad
join:2004-03-10
Malaysia
| the newer bandwidth management devices use some sort of deep packet inspection, and can recognise torrent activity, even with encryption enabled. don't ask me how it works because I don't have the faintest idea. I guess torrent data transfer is easy to recognise because of the number of simultaneous inbound and outbound connections to any particular IP address.
i got shaped this afternoon on streamyx, and transfer slowed to about 15kb/s DL / 7kb/s UL on a well seeded 100% encrypted torrent from a private tracker.
tried to bypass the shaping with a free encrypted VPN to a US server and the speeds did return to normal. i guess that confirms that streamyx is shaping, since the international connectivity was obviously still there. but the VPN crapped out after 15 minutes. i guess you get what you pay for 
anyone got idea what device TMNet is using for the bandwidth shaping? or how to bypass it? | |
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shaped11
@net.my
| Re: Azu 2.5.0.0 RC4 Encryption Forced BUT STILL TMNET managed to sashad,
Google for "netenforcer". It is just of the increasing # of devices able to do deep packet inspection. So, simple RC4 encryption just do not cut it anymore.
Like your experiment proves, real total encryption like VPN or SSH is the only way.
But I'm curious- u said ur speeds returned to normal after VPN to US server. Our latency to US already bad enough, so i'm curious 2 know what speeds were u getting with the free VPN ? | |
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XEQtor
Wanna See My 8 Boobies?
join:2003-02-20
52100
 ·Streamyx
| Re: Azu 2.5.0.0 RC4 Encryption Forced BUT STILL TMNET managed to Been there, done that. SNAFU.
VPN will never be throttled as doing 'deep fondling' on VPN packets may bring official charges of 'rape' by users. No box vendor will want to go there...
So, you get unfondled speeds all the way to US.
This is my major tiff with them about their throttling. They dont do dynamic throttling, they employ blanket throttling. Heck care if the gateway is unused, if day time, just simply whack. What I had expected is for the throttling to behave like a priority based service. So, I believe that he was using the VPN when there was no congestion on the Intl route, altho all of us were being capped to high heaven.
SSH dont grook. Unless you are able to use dynamic ports, they're already waiting to throttle you at the default port nos... And they employ 'wholesale throttling' if they see you there, even if you're trying to do normal browsing. Be prepared for 1.5 KB/sec/stream. Try it, and SSL too, you might not like the result.
I wont discuss what works, I'd just discuss what wont work so as to save you guys time...
XEQ. | |
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nwk
join:2005-09-28
malaysia
| TM "fucking" Net is throttling all P2P traffic from 12AM to 12PM. At these times, you can't upload or download to international peer. You are only able to download from local peers when they throttle you. The funny thing is our "beloved" ISP don't have the balls to admit they are throttling all P2P traffic to all it's customers.
Also there is some kind of "I love TMnet" campaign going on at the LowYat forums. Some of those wankers over there actually feel good about being throttled! Can you believe that? | |
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REVERSI
@net.my | Re: Azu 2.5.0.0 RC4 Encryption Forced BUT STILL TMNET managed to i think the throttle starts from 12pm (afternoon) to 12am (midnight).
when midnight, i miraculously got max speed from 5kb/s
thats magic,lol , j/k | |
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join:2005-09-28
malaysia
2 edits | Re: Azu 2.5.0.0 RC4 Encryption Forced BUT STILL TMNET managed to Oops! you got me there. I made a typo LOL! I was supposed to type 12PM to 12AM, not the other way around! I think I was just too pissed off at TMnut for throttling my torrents to realize my mistake.
BTW, TMnut seems to have disabled throttling on my line today because I have been downloading a torrent since last night and I am still getting downloads from international peers  . Maybe its because of me yelling at their CS EVERYDAY since they started traffic shaping.... | |
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lulugoh
join:2006-03-25
KL_Malaysia
| U are so lucky! (I mean from 12pm to 12am)
I'm in kepong,
and i think TMFN throttling p2p from 12am to 12am(24hours) 
my emule drop speed from 50+ to 5kbs
now i'm testing 47c version
hope the protocol obfuscation function would help....
My Azureus (With RC4 encryption) also very slow lately so i've abondoned it and change to emule...but....
what to do??....migrate balik kampung to china is a better choice...or use a bomb to bomb TMFN.... | |
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join:2005-09-28
malaysia | Re: Azu 2.5.0.0 RC4 Encryption Forced BUT STILL TMNET managed to Instead of balik kampung, it would be better to bomb TMFN instead. Those bleeding imbeciles turned on throttling back on my line again today!!! AAAAAARRRGGHHhhhhh!!! | |
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Selenia
join:2006-09-22
Pittsfield, MA
·Verizon Online DSL
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| ahh I'm gathering this is China. I get terrible speeds to and from Chinese peers in general, so are you guys sure it's your isp and not "backbone throttling"? I myself am not throttled but have noticed some paths that seem to be, so I enable encryption. I was once on a horrible ISP for this(Rogers) and an encrypted proxy for outgoing(like http tunnel) with client encryption enabled, fallback enabled for outgoing(as tunnel is already encrypted), and fallback disabled for incoming. Don't enable proxying of tracker communications when you set it up, just peer communications as that may allow some encrypted inbound. The idea here is to send outbound to 1 IP. Some packet shapers can recognise BT just by the rate it connects to a huge range of IPs and ports, then inspect them to be sure. Then you end up shaped. Ask anyone with Rogers just about. They have the same issues as you. I know it's all true because I had that sorry excuse for an ISP before I moved back to the USA. Good luck mates! | |
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join:2005-09-28
malaysia
| Re: Azu 2.5.0.0 RC4 Encryption Forced BUT STILL TMNET managed to Selenia, we are not in China. We are from Malaysia. Believe it or not, compared to China, they are actually better then us. I think. By the way, all of us here has been throttled since September 11 and all our downloads are crawling like snails. Thanks for the tip anyway. I am going to try it and see if it works or not. | |
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lianlee
join:2005-10-26
52100
| i am in kepong too, i am having the same p2p problem as above since last week.
damn, i think bt is finished now maybe there is some other new methods to do p2p.
i been lucky as my one year contract end next month, if tmnut continue to throttle p2p, i might stop the stupid tmnut service.
yes it is damned sick to see some "love tmnet forum" in lowyat forum net. those people really don't know what is freedom means! | |
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Alpha_Tay
join:2003-04-30
Malaysia
| most of the streamyx lOVEr work for tm, tmnet, one way or another, that is why there is such ppl out there.
we might never know tm, tmnet unofficially hire some ppl go to the streamyx forum to put up some propaganda, agenda there. the CEO Michael Lai was a marketing guy, he know how to marketing some bad services like streamyx, he alreadly done alot of marketing crap since he being the CEO.
there is alot streamyx contractors, agents out there who will put up pro streamyx word for their own good.
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