footballdude
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| reply to Tsume
Re: lost commerce
said by Tsume  :Consumers have already payed for it... more than once. That's like saying there shouldn't be a defense budget because we bought a lot of bullets back in 1942. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | No it's not. Come up with another stupid analogy will you. |
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dispatcher21
join:2004-01-22
united state
| Consumers havent paid for any upgrades. In your monthly bill, you pay for your current services and to make sure your company makes a profit each quarter and if the company so deems it, puts away some for future upgrades. They dont have to save for future upgrades but most smart companies do but the majority of the monthly bill is to show a profit to make shareholders happy(remember, they are a FOR PROFIT company). Telco companies in almost all states are only required to service you with a dial tone so if you get dsl be happy about it. Cable is unregulated so no one can tell them what to do since local governments cant tell them what to do in negotioations anymore. No, consumers havent paid for anything but what you currently have. Again, its not the telco or cable companies job or responsiblity to make sure other companies make money. Remember, broadband is not required to live, its a total luxury, the excuse of..oh you need it for school and to do reseach and blah blah...that can all be done on dial up or at your local library where they have free computers with internet. |
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Tsume
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
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| reply to footballdude
Right- except the money the people payed for bullets got spent mostly on bullets.
The money people were (forced) to pay in tax dollars in order to subsidize the telco deployment was quite obviously spent mainly on increasing profit instead of what it was intended to be spent on (current state of broadband affairs proves this quite nicely).
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dispatcher21
join:2004-01-22
united state
| "Spent mainly on increasing profit instead of what it was intended to be spent on" What was it intended to be spent on? From my understanding the tax untax we were forced to pay on our phone bills had nothing to do with broadband, it is for the phone portion of the telco business and it was not intended to be put into an upgrade fund, it was intended to help the phone companies maintain the network at hand and allow more people access to it. Again, you only have to be serviced with a dial tone and they have met the inteded purpose of the "tax not really a tax" fee since it has nothing to do with broadband but with dial tone. |
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Tsume
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
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| Sadly the book is no longer available for download, but this and many more questions were answered inside the 200bn dollar broadband scandal book that there was a news article here about.
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to dispatcher21
Really? So the American people haven't given these greedy bastards over $200 billion dollars in "government incentives" over the last 20 years alone to provide broadband on their promises?
Remember back in the late 80's they were begging for this so they can deliver 20mb to a vast majority of the country. This was their asking, it wasn't us begging for it like we are now. Where is that 20mb (not very common)? Where has all that money they begged for and received gone? Where is the accountability for those promises and failed deliveries?
Nothing has changed and it never will until they reimburse the American people the billions (if not trillions) of dollars we "gave them" for the networks. WE built the original network based on incentives and monopolies. No matter how many times they change it that fact will never change or transfer ownership. Especially when they continue lobbying and getting OUR money through "incentives" (not just monopoly/duopoly profits). |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to dispatcher21
Tsume is correct and you are speaking on something you obviously have not researched or kept up with.
They received a couple hundred billion dollars at their request and promise to deliver symetrical 20mb broadband. Not this crap we have now.
Do you have any idea how much "profit" these guys have reported in that last quarter alone? So why are they being subsidized at all? |
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footballdude
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Imperial, MO
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said by Tsume :The money people were (forced) to pay in tax dollars in order to subsidize the telco deployment was quite obviously spent mainly on increasing profit instead of what it was intended to be spent on (current state of broadband affairs proves this quite nicely). At what point did the telcos say 'give us money so we can build a broadband network'? Any money paid in the past was to build the current copper network, which works very nicely and is available everywhere.
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batterup
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said by Skippy25 :Really? So the American people haven't given these greedy bastards over $200 billion dollars in "government incentives" over the last 20 years alone to provide broadband on their promises? No, that is a lie spread by people that can't back it up. That number was pulled from a place where the moon doesn't shine. |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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Netcong, NJ
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| reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25 :Tsume is correct and you are speaking on something you obviously have not researched or kept up with. They received a couple hundred billion dollars at their request and promise to deliver symetrical 20mb broadband. Not this crap we have now. Do you have any idea how much "profit" these guys have reported in that last quarter alone? So why are they being subsidized at all? Post a link that does not lead to Teletruth as Teletruth does not list where it pulled the information from. Post the agreement between who and what. You don't even know who or what do you? |
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Tsume
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Johnson City, TN
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| reply to footballdude
I believe an agreement was made between the govt and the telcos- I don't think the telcos simply said 'give us money so we can make this' - after all it is the government who makes the laws for adding taxes.
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footballdude
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Imperial, MO
| said by Tsume :I believe an agreement was made between the govt and the telcos- I don't think the telcos simply said 'give us money so we can make this' - after all it is the government who makes the laws for adding taxes. I can remember something like that happening in Pennsylvania with Verizon but I don't remember any sweeping federal legislation.
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to batterup
Well unless any of us were present when they presented this then we can only "assume" it was a big lie.
I guess with that mind set they never screwed over anyone and have always provided just as they have promised.
That is honestly the best you can come up with? Contact some of your phone buddies. They can surely provide you with better than that. PM TK, I am sure there is a school or something he can send you to. |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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Netcong, NJ
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| said by Skippy25 :Well unless any of us were present when they presented this then we can only "assume" it was a big lie. Do you think someone would have written up a contract setting exactly what was to be done by all involved? Yes they made a law, the law is public record, the original law has been amended, it also is public record. Ask Teletruth to give you a link to the law, it is fascinating reading, I could not put it down. |
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