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join:2004-05-24 | Re: good move Hopefully this is the beginning of an industry trend. | |
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MagMan
Life is simpler when you tell the truth.
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join:2003-10-01
Westlake, OH | Re: good move Good job AT&T it's about time. | |
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djtim21
It's all good
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join:2003-12-22
Buffalo Grove, IL
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| Re: good move said by MagMan  :Good job AT&T it's about time. I also say good job. But the whole reason for this was just to reduce the pay scale for these positions.
It's no different in the IT market. In the late 90's before the drop in the market, IT positions could make a decent wage (or more) just entering into the market. So then the market dropped, companies couldn't afford to have an in house IT staff, and sent support to other companies, and even overseas.
Now, you can find (in some cases) the same position paying from 10 to 50% less, doing the same work.
There were 2 groups who lost out on this deal - The people who did bust their ass to help at support, and the customers for losing the great support.
I'm sure they will be calling people back, but how much do you want to bet it's not going to be the same pay and they won't accept the job?
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join:2003-10-13
608052427 | Re: good move Does this mean we will now get an American voice telling us his name is Aabharan? | |
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scott2ya
Iphone junkie
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join:2002-03-07
Missouri | Thank the Union! There was a strike a few years back, and this was one of the concessions! | |
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join:2006-07-20
Durham, NC | Amen on that!!!
Vonage are you listening? | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: good move said by Vghrlt :Amen on that!!! Vonage are you listening? For AT&T? They should have known better...
For vonage? Bring the jobs back to the U.S. and say goodbye to $24.95 phone service.
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lithicus0
join:2006-06-30
Chesapeake, VA
| My hat is off to ATT. I cannot stand foreign tech support. The language barrier alone makes them mess up and create more work in the long run. Besides, who wants to speak to someone who can barely speak your language that you paid for their services? I know if I pay for services, I better be able to understand the situation and what the person is telling me, otherwise why should they get my business? | |
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@mindspring.com | Re: good move I cannot even understand what they're saying due to their heavy ascend and speaking too fast. Hopefully, other companies will bring all IT professionals back to US. Cheap labor doesn't bring good business. What you pay is what you get! | |
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Jim Gurd
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join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI
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| More than likely the Indian call center reps did such a shitty job that they had no choice. My company outsourced its technical support helpdesk to India. They are totally useless. What most people do is call them just to get a ticket number assigned to the correct group and then call the person who will actually be fixing the problem and explain it to them. You might as well be speaking Chinese when trying to explain to them what needs to be fixed.
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join:2005-10-01
Sun Prairie, WI
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| Re: good move It was due to the strike by CWA in 2004 and one of the concessions we demanded{I walked the Picket Line in Appleton, WI when was a member of CWA Local 4621}. Just as any politician will do, SBC/ATT is just trying to spin it to their advantage...it would not have happened without the UNION fighting for it. | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | I was discussing with someone the other day about how when the outsourcing bubble would burst. Outsourcing is great for saving money, bad for keeping the customer's that give you money. | |
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA | Re: good move Look at Dell.
We get customers who are so sick and tired of dealing with their outsourced warranty phone service they would rather pay our techs to fix the problem.
(I manage the PC division of a firm in Philly)
Bad. Really bad.... | |
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
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join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
| Re: good move said by TKJunkMail :Besides the additional jobs, it should help make support calls work better. ... with much longer wait times. There is no way they can staff an equivalent number of union positions as they can with people in a faraway land, so the customers are going to be competing for fewer resources.
I suspect that the quality of the support will go up, and the resolution times will go down, but I'd be really surprised if this were a wash. This means more time on hold.
Too bad we can't change just one thing and leave everything else constant, eh?
Steve
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
| Re: good move Speakeasy does not outsource there technical support and the max holds times are 4 minutes or less. I rather wait 4 minutes on hold to speak to somebody who can fix the problem in 10-15 minutes than be 2 hours with the side of my head cooking from the cellphone radiation because I am trying to understand what the guy is trying to tell me. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | It was bound to happen. My guess is indian workers wanted raises just like workers here. And it cannot make sense to operate in india and pay near us wages. | |
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ArmoredSaint
join:2006-08-12
Monroe, NY
| Good news and a very good move. Hopeully other companies will start catching on. I hate to say it, but many company executives will never admit that outsourcing (offshoring) is, for the most part a complete failure.
I'm hoping the federal government will realize they are losing a ton of money on offshoring as well and will hopefully someday tax the crap out of any company that wants to offshore work (and no, I'm not a democrat).
Sometimes you just have to wait for a change in management for those concessions to come through. Hopefully over the next 2-5 years we will see a huge change in the tide.
I don't care what any studies say. Outsourcing, in particular, offshoring will **NOT** ever save a company money in the end.
When you calculate things like severance, vacation/sick pay, and training for the replacements, it just never adds up. You are better off just keeping employees on your payroll. | |
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