rawgerz
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I'm pretty sure I read in a few TOS from different cable CO's that if you do this, you will be permanently disconnected.
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en102
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1 edit | or worse... FBI showing up at your door with a warrant due to tampering, end up being hauled away with your possessions seized, and possibly spending some time in prison. |
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justin
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yes if you read my review I mention that more than once. Nevertheless, the book exists and it is not illegal to purchase it, or read it. |
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said by rawgerz  :I'm pretty sure I read in a few TOS from different cable CO's that if you do this, you will be permanently disconnected. Or worse, they take you to court? Yes, you can find in the Comcast forum a number of posts of those who got caught and then come whine about how the big bad cable company permanently disconnected them from all cable services - including TV.
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said by justin :yes if you read my review I mention that more than once. Nevertheless, the book exists and it is not illegal to purchase it, or read it. Yes, it is legal and it very similar in ethics to those books on how to make homemade bombs. Perfectly legal and upheld in court numerous times on free speech grounds. But I would hope legitimate companies would refuse to carry and sell these books.
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I believe in some jurisdictions, yes, it could be considered "theft of service" and you could be taken to court for it, though most likely they will simply disconnect someone who uncaps. And as I understand it, the docsis protocol is pretty draconian and uncappers aren't hard to find.
Aside from that, it is the epitome of greed and selfishness. If there were uncappers on every block, service could degrade to less-than-dialup speeds.
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doing what the book says can be illegal under theft of service(atleast the uncapping), the Author writing it and us owning and reading the book is thankfully still protected as a freedom of the press.
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Why? let the kiddies get permbanned by their ISP. Their parents will definitely appreciate it. |
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I still remember that.
The good days of cable modem uncapping are over. Now, pretty much all bandwidth management is done through QoS policies instated at the headend itself, fewer and fewer cable ISPs are using the cable modems to enforce the bandwidth caps because of this specific vulnerability.
As long as the customer has access to the thing, it's vulnerable. QoS policies and headend-based management take those out of the user's hands, completely. Those two essentially render all the old serial-based SurfBoard hacks obsolete. There still are some neat things you can do, but not legally, or without getting caught.
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said by GOLFnSUN :But I would hope legitimate companies would refuse to carry and sell these books. Based on that logic, if something CAN be used for bad, then companies shouldn't carry it or sell it ?
Just about everything in your home would suddenly be gone from the shelves of every store.
Bleach, gone (because it can be used to make chlorine bombs more easily that you can hack your cable modem)... Guns, gone... Cars, all gone. Computes, poof! Phones, yep, them too. Children's Tylenol, done for...
No, that doesn't work. Instead of preventing this type of information from getting out, perhaps a consorted effort to show its value and explain its legitimate uses should be made ?
And of course, keeping the book from stores doesn't prevent someone with the slightest clue from firing up the internet and using Google.
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dvd536
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said by rawgerz :I'm pretty sure I read in a few TOS from different cable CO's that if you do this, you will be permanently disconnected. Or worse, they take you to court? Remember the buckeye cable incident?
speeds are now up there where uncapping is not worth the hassle.
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rawgerz
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Grove City, PA | reply to justin
I would try it just to see what it and if, it did anything. But I fear being cut off too much to ever attempt it.
I couldn't read it just too tempting |
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said by GOLFnSUN :Yes, it is legal and it very similar in ethics to those books on how to make homemade bombs. Perfectly legal and upheld in court numerous times on free speech grounds. But I would hope legitimate companies would refuse to carry and sell these books. Hmmmm....
On one hand you say that the book is perfectly legal, then on the other hand admonish legitimate companies that might carry a legal product.
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Michieru2
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Then it's best said to ban computer books which allow programmers to code applications. I like companies who carry books like these whether it be legitimate or not. Or do you think we should start burning these books simply because of there content?
Just like we should ban all guns to be given to citizens and only allow the army to have them. Or you think you are ok with them showing a burning flag but not of these muslims with a head shaped as a bomb because "it offends" them.
If you are going to be moral police on books you better apply it to everything and anything not just books and then you will see how unethical it really sounds. |
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Yes, you can find in the Comcast forum a number of posts of those who got caught and then come whine about how the big bad cable company permanently disconnected them from all cable services - including TV. » /nsearch?q=unc···t7951755» /nsearch?q=unc···82158759
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Not so. The government won't take away things that are required to earn a TAXABLE INCOME. So cars definately stay, even though auto accidents kill more people in a year than the Viet Nam war. |
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Should books discussing computer security/exploits be banned? How about all those books about rootkits that populate the shelves at Barnes and Nobles or Borders? What about the books talking about defeating WEP/WAP-enabled encryption on wireless routers?
Under your logic TKjunkmail, these are just as bad.
However they serve a helluva good purpose...they provide the information necessary for system administrators to ensure that as many vulnerabilities are assessed and addressed for their networks as is possible.
Don't bash a book because it contains information that can be used as an exploit. Anything can be used in a negative manner in life...
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said by rawgerz :I'm pretty sure I read in a few TOS from different cable CO's that if you do this, you will be permanently disconnected. Or worse, they take you to court? Exactly...why would anyone hack a cable network? Bandwidth is dirt cheap now a days...I'm paying for 15/2
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Michieru2
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These books also inform the reader of the actual fact of things. If a company was lying to you saying that the service is secure yet there was a high rate of identity theft. Nobody would really know it's the encryption of the wireless routers which is failing. These books exploit facts of these wireless technologies that inform the reader and then everybody will know where the problem is occuring and avoid such products. |
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