91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
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New Milford, CT | reply to smcallah
Re: bad idea..
No, they wouldn't, because it's impossible to tax people who aren't working and earning income. Without a car, 95% of the US population wouldn't be able to earn income. |
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smcallah
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I think you forgot to count the 1 - 2 million Vietnamese deaths during the Vietnam War.
I think they'd ban cars if that many people were dying per year. |
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Elcabong
Cuba SI, Castro NO
join:2000-03-09
Philadelphia, PA | reply to rawgerz
The book goes into detail on how not to get noticed by your isp. I've been to derengel's forums and website and although I wouldn't risk it, I understand why someone who's pissed off and shortchanged by the big companies would try this method. |
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thefoxbox
go fox box go
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Re: Not what happend to me...
said by Jerm  :Now the config files are much more secure, and uncapping is just not doable unless you completely hack your firmware and change your MAC. Even then its still not worth it. I'm happy to pay Charter for my 10mbps, but looking forward to Fios in my area  In no way do I cone hacking the modem. It can't be done these days anyways - at least not with hacks I used. Pay for your service, or if really deperate be happy on your leeched wireless connection Funny. I like how you say that. "Pay for your service." But, the thing that's going to force me to buy an older modem just so I can do it is because I was downgraded by 2MB and no one seems to know why, and still can't even maintain a steady speed. I get between 1-4.5 Mbps on average on a 6mb plan. Nice logic--if only the cable company would deliver on their promise. |
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thefoxbox
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Re: bad idea..
Sorry, I'm stupid. I like using smaller words that the general user community can understand. [/end common sense] |
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
1 edit | reply to en102
Not what happend to me...
Back when @Home folded and Charter had to switch me to their own broadband, I got super pissed because my bandwidth was cut from 4-6mbps actual down to 768k! Same price and everything! So...
I hacked my cable modem. I saw the very first widely published article how the guy described the config replacement hack. I was able to change my speed caps and allow my modem to pull multiple IPs from the network.
Worked great for months until my sister one day loaded up a P2P app and uploaded @ 3mbps for half a day. Oops I got caught, and thought I was in big trouble. Fortunately since it was the very beginning of the whole uncapping fad going mainstream I was able to meet with their network engineer and showed him how I did it. He was satisfied, so they let me keep my account (Charter 768kbps down 128kbps up, what a friggin joke though!)
Now the config files are much more secure, and uncapping is just not doable unless you completely hack your firmware and change your MAC. Even then its still not worth it. I'm happy to pay Charter for my 10mbps, but looking forward to Fios in my area
In no way do I cone hacking the modem. It can't be done these days anyways - at least not with hacks I used. Pay for your service, or if really deperate be happy on your leeched wireless connection |
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Re: bad idea..
said by thefoxbox :Elaborate, please. Definition 2: to reprove or scold
»dictionary.reference.com/browse/admonish
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thefoxbox
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said by John Galt :said by TKJunkMail :Yes, it is legal and it very similar in ethics to those books on how to make homemade bombs. Perfectly legal and upheld in court numerous times on free speech grounds. But I would hope legitimate companies would refuse to carry and sell these books. Hmmmm.... On one hand you say that the book is perfectly legal, then on the other hand admonish legitimate companies that might carry a legal product. Could you clear this up for me? You said that "on the other hand you [warn] legitimate companies that might carry a legal product." Elaborate, please. |
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2kmaro
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Oh, someone will be tempted. How I long for the good old days of uncapped service via @Home - as much as 8-10mbps down, a couple of meg up, on an old SB-3100. Then along came capping.
But I'd rather keep my connection, spend my days in the park instead of the "yard" than to get a little more speed above the 4mbps I have now.
Good review, and I agree that understanding how things work is always helpful, especially around this particular site.
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | reply to rawgerz
Funny, this guy is probably just asking for the FBI to visit. |
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Michieru2
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These books also inform the reader of the actual fact of things. If a company was lying to you saying that the service is secure yet there was a high rate of identity theft. Nobody would really know it's the encryption of the wireless routers which is failing. These books exploit facts of these wireless technologies that inform the reader and then everybody will know where the problem is occuring and avoid such products. |
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BigPotato1
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said by rawgerz :I'm pretty sure I read in a few TOS from different cable CO's that if you do this, you will be permanently disconnected. Or worse, they take you to court? Exactly...why would anyone hack a cable network? Bandwidth is dirt cheap now a days...I'm paying for 15/2
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cwy1980
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Should books discussing computer security/exploits be banned? How about all those books about rootkits that populate the shelves at Barnes and Nobles or Borders? What about the books talking about defeating WEP/WAP-enabled encryption on wireless routers?
Under your logic TKjunkmail, these are just as bad.
However they serve a helluva good purpose...they provide the information necessary for system administrators to ensure that as many vulnerabilities are assessed and addressed for their networks as is possible.
Don't bash a book because it contains information that can be used as an exploit. Anything can be used in a negative manner in life...
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91439306
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New Milford, CT | reply to bmn
Not so. The government won't take away things that are required to earn a TAXABLE INCOME. So cars definately stay, even though auto accidents kill more people in a year than the Viet Nam war. |
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said by TKJunkMail :
Yes, you can find in the Comcast forum a number of posts of those who got caught and then come whine about how the big bad cable company permanently disconnected them from all cable services - including TV. » /nsearch?q=unc···t7951755» /nsearch?q=unc···82158759
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Michieru2
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Then it's best said to ban computer books which allow programmers to code applications. I like companies who carry books like these whether it be legitimate or not. Or do you think we should start burning these books simply because of there content?
Just like we should ban all guns to be given to citizens and only allow the army to have them. Or you think you are ok with them showing a burning flag but not of these muslims with a head shaped as a bomb because "it offends" them.
If you are going to be moral police on books you better apply it to everything and anything not just books and then you will see how unethical it really sounds. |
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John Galt
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said by TKJunkMail :Yes, it is legal and it very similar in ethics to those books on how to make homemade bombs. Perfectly legal and upheld in court numerous times on free speech grounds. But I would hope legitimate companies would refuse to carry and sell these books. Hmmmm....
On one hand you say that the book is perfectly legal, then on the other hand admonish legitimate companies that might carry a legal product.
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rawgerz
In Debt we trust
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Grove City, PA | reply to justin
I would try it just to see what it and if, it did anything. But I fear being cut off too much to ever attempt it.
I couldn't read it just too tempting |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ
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said by rawgerz :I'm pretty sure I read in a few TOS from different cable CO's that if you do this, you will be permanently disconnected. Or worse, they take you to court? Remember the buckeye cable incident?
speeds are now up there where uncapping is not worth the hassle.
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bmn
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said by TKJunkMail :But I would hope legitimate companies would refuse to carry and sell these books. Based on that logic, if something CAN be used for bad, then companies shouldn't carry it or sell it ?
Just about everything in your home would suddenly be gone from the shelves of every store.
Bleach, gone (because it can be used to make chlorine bombs more easily that you can hack your cable modem)... Guns, gone... Cars, all gone. Computes, poof! Phones, yep, them too. Children's Tylenol, done for...
No, that doesn't work. Instead of preventing this type of information from getting out, perhaps a consorted effort to show its value and explain its legitimate uses should be made ?
And of course, keeping the book from stores doesn't prevent someone with the slightest clue from firing up the internet and using Google.
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