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winky
Turn Left At The Moon
join:2001-02-11
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to JohnInSJ
Re: Have I Gone Over the Top?
Argh: Tin Foil is useless. A properly grounded copper cage is the only way to go. Beef and Apple, my assistants, have worked out a very scientificky formula for the correct spacing of the grid as well as insulation for the interior since it's electrified also. They built it while I was asleep one night. As a reward I gave them each a can of Friskies Premium as well as a new flea collar.
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From this point forward Hoedown, from the ballet RODEO, by Aaron Copeland will not be reffered to as "The Beef Song". Thank You | |
kangabil
Do It Now, Do It Right
Premium
join:2005-05-15
Australia
| Ah Winky, love you too. The tin hat WAS getting a bit crumpled. BUT I'll have to remember to tap my red shoes twice before casting spells.
Seriously though folks,
Thanks all for the advice; on summary, I'm fairly well protected, might look more closely at trojans, and think about any overlapping functions of existing sniffers and snoopers.
NO system is not bogged down. Still got about 350MB of 512 MB ram available when doodling about on the net.
I haven't been hammered by any trash for a couple of years now, but I don't trawl the obvious places you can get the computer clap and do take some care when I think I might be getting a bit close to the wind.
Won't go on any further you've got me where I need to go and may all of your gods go with you and your families.
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Toby983
join:2004-10-01
| I have F-Secure as resident. Bit Def 8 free as backup on demand. Ewido full, BO Clean, Host file, NAT, Spybot S&D, spysweeper full, and finally firefox with no script and adblock, and so far so good, but i do pratice safe-hex and visit pretty much the same safe web sites (safe for now and lately that is). I do remember the official oblivion forums had a script running that infected IE users that didn't have high security set correctly (and you didn't even have to sign in to the forums to get infected), or no script running with Firefox. In my case F-Secure caught it as did no script on firefox, but many users were infected just visiting the forums until the admin showed up the next day and removed the script. | |
Bud4wiser
St. Louis, Mo
join:2003-01-25
Saint Louis, MO | reply to kangabil
Have YOU Gone Over the Top? I'd say so. Your focus on security through software is misplaced. Informed, educated computer users are the best defense against most threats.
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Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| How does being an informed, educated computer user help me when I need to hook up my 98SE box that is networked to a dial up connection for some reason (broadband is down, etc)? If I don't have a good resident AV on it, I will be infected within a couple of minutes with Opaserve and other viruses. My 98SE box used to be tied down very tight using NetBeui but now it is usually behind a router and is networked making it wide open to attacks if it ever connects directly to the internet. I did forget, when I first networked it and Road Runner went down and I went on RR dial up, that my settings now made a once very secure box wide open to infection. It only took a couple of minutes for me to be infected. Luckily, I had a resident AV that caught the virus but usually I don't run anything more than an on demand AV on that box.
I cannot even take that box off the network and connect it directly to my modem for troubleshooting (which I need to do because of very slow internet speed on that box only) because presently I have AVS on it and I can't register AVS so it has definitions that are about six weeks old. AOL finally responded to my support request but just told me to re-register and reinstall AVS. Well, I had already done that three times and I still get a rejection when I try to register with Kaspersky. I don't have a software firewall on it for many reasons and don't need one when behind the router and didn't need one before I networked it. Lots of knowledge about security is not going to protect that computer if it is networked and goes naked on the internet for some reason. I stupidly, several months after I got the first infection on it while it was on dial up, again took it off the network for troubleshooting as per the Road Runner tier 3 tech's instructions. I connected it directly to the modem and as we spoke it was infected. That fast. (Luckily, I still had a resident AV on it at that time and it caught the virus).
This is just one example of many, many examples i could give for why information, education, and safe hex are not the be and end all to protection against nasties. I have always advocated education and safe computing in the fight against malware but that in no way means one never needs applications in the fight against nasties.
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"If you want to do DRM on a PC then you need to treat the user as the enemy." Ross Anderson in "`Trusted Computing' Frequently Asked Questions"
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