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GilbertMark
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join:2001-05-02
Gilbert, AZ
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| Re: Tubes were clogged said by Jodokast96  :They need to charge Google. Any ISP can charge Google as far as I'm concerned just so long as their service is free to me. They don't get to double dip on this.
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Tubes were clogged said by GilbertMark :said by Jodokast96 :They need to charge Google. Any ISP can charge Google as far as I'm concerned just so long as their service is free to me. They don't get to double dip on this. No such thing as a free lunch. They charge Google. Google raises advetising rates. Those companies rate prices on things YOU buy. So you do in fact pay in the end. Big corporations are NOT going to eat the costs when the little guy can be made to pay for it. Also many currently free Google services may go pay or be bloated with ads. As I said someway some how you will pay if Google has too.
Personally an ISP wanting to charge Google is like the oil companies charging gas stations for selling a bottle of Coke because they supply them with gas. | |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA
| The ISP need to create a better business model (if neccessary) and charge more for bandwidth from there customers. It is there customers that want to access Google. Google pays an ISP as well but in this case google is the ISP for itself. So I say "get over your 12.95 DSL lines and create a profitable business model without taxing other companies". | |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26 | Re: Tubes were clogged
$12.99 IS profitable for DSL. Once the electronics are in place, it costs them squat to provide your service. Especially when they are double dipping for dial tone service on the same wire pair. | |
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join:2001-02-20
Saint Louis, MO | Re: Tubes were clogged Just because a line will support dial tone does not mean that it will necessarily support DSL. | |
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join:2002-02-10
Dallas, TX
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Tubes were clogged wow Ray,
That is from left field.
I guess I could respond in sequitur, and say:
Just because you have copper doesnt mean you can get dialtone on it.
I have meters and meters of Romex copper in my house and there is no dialtone or DSL on it! | |
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Jodokast96
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Tubes were clogged said by Maxo :The apples at the grocery store are practically free after the cost of the store purchasing the apples and paying someone to stock them. If they'd just let you take them they could remove that pesky cost of having cashiers.  Any idea of what how much, as a percentage, Verizon or any other DSL provider with sub-$20 service took in last year? I'm willing to bet it was more than the 1-2% the average supermarket made. And relying solely on future earnings to fund what you are doing now doesn't really seem to smart. What happened to previous years profits? | |
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Maxo
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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| Re: Tubes were clogged said by Jodokast96 :said by Maxo :The apples at the grocery store are practically free after the cost of the store purchasing the apples and paying someone to stock them. If they'd just let you take them they could remove that pesky cost of having cashiers. Any idea of what how much, as a percentage, Verizon or any other DSL provider with sub-$20 service took in last year? I'm willing to bet it was more than the 1-2% the average supermarket made. And relying solely on future earnings to fund what you are doing now doesn't really seem to smart. What happened to previous years profits? My point is simply that DSL cost more than "squat" to provide, even after investing a half mill to just have the service available.
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join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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| said by Jodokast96 :said by Maxo :The apples at the grocery store are practically free after the cost of the store purchasing the apples and paying someone to stock them. If they'd just let you take them they could remove that pesky cost of having cashiers. Any idea of what how much, as a percentage, Verizon or any other DSL provider with sub-$20 service took in last year? I'm willing to bet it was more than the 1-2% the average supermarket made. And relying solely on future earnings to fund what you are doing now doesn't really seem to smart. What happened to previous years profits? Umm, excuse yourself bro. Considering the amount of people who eat in this world, and the average 2 week shopping equates to $70 ($140 a month), I doubt you can compare this industry financially. People won't starve to pay their DSL bill, and there is less DSL subscribers than people who require food on a daily basis on this planet. As a single entity, one might think a DSL provider made more than a supermarket, but again, think about it, $20 a month, versus $140 a month, average.
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Jodokast96
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | Re: Tubes were clogged I was talking about how much total profit there was at the end of the year, after every single bill and salary (including the owners) has been paid. In the supermarket industry, it is about a 1-2% profit. That being said, 8 stores in my area alone accounted for almost half a billion dollars in sales, but at the end of it all, there was between 5 and 10 mil. left over. Verizon, just as an example, might not have spent as much, or maybe more, I don't know, but I can almost guarantee they made back a lot more money than the 1-2% the supermarkets did. | |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
| "Entirely untrue. The cost of the equipment itself is roughly a half million dollars. That's not easy to make up at less than $50/month. Then they have to run T1 or OC circuits to the CO to connect it to the ISP CO which also needs OC circuits. Then there are the technicians that work 40+ hours/week to keep the system running. Factor in each time you call tech support probably costs something like $5-$10 per call at thousands of calls a day."
Well now...The cost of the equipment is a cost of doing business, as is running circuits (doubtlessly done with their internal fiber network, since that is the only thing they have been laying here and the rest of the main copper is underground).
The technicians would be working anyway, as would "tech support". I doubt it costs $5-10 per call either, since the lines used are allready paid for and the representatives get paid a certain hourly wage, regardless of how many calls they handle per hour. These are ALL fixed costs of doing business that would exist regardless.
So, basically, once the electronics are in place, it costs them nothing to provide service. | |
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Maxo
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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| Re: Tubes were clogged said by Fatal Vector :Well now...The cost of the equipment is a cost of doing business, as is running circuits (doubtlessly done with their internal fiber network, since that is the only thing they have been laying here and the rest of the main copper is underground). Well, everything you do as a cost of doing business is a cost of doing business so then everything is really free to companies since all costs involved are only costs of doing business.
Even though the copper is alrady in place, the DSLAM, and ATM circuits are not already there.
said by Fatal Vector :The technicians would be working anyway, as would "tech support". I doubt it costs $5-10 per call either, since the lines used are allready paid for and the representatives get paid a certain hourly wage, regardless of how many calls they handle per hour. These are ALL fixed costs of doing business that would exist regardless. No, if there were no circuits to fix they wouldn't be working at all. There would be phone techs and nobody extra hired on to fix DSL trouble. Many time there will be troubles on the line that don't affect dialtone but do hinder DSL and somebody has to fix those. The extra man power to install and maintain the DSL increases the amount of techs needed in an area. Go to the SBC forums and talk to the many techs who are dedicated to DSL only issues. Eliminate that DSL and illuminate their jobs.
I just so happen to know that each call costs somewhere between $5-$10 because I've actually had access to those kinds of numbers personally. You however have not and don't know. You are just guessing, which is why you are wrong. These DSL phone reps number in the thousands and are dedicated to only working on DSL. Again eliminate the DSL and eliminate thousands of jobs that SBC must pay for.
You have absolutely no idea how many jobs in this country (and abroad unfortunately) are dependant on strictly DSL (not dialtone or otherwise) and would not exist if DSL was gone. If these jobs go than so dose the money the ISPs must pay to keep their employment.
It's easy to make claims about things you have absolutely no knowledge of. It's also easy to back those up with guesses. It's really hard to do these things and be correct. Anyone can make something up and talk authoritatively on it.
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AmeritecTech
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join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
| said by Fatal Vector :The technicians would be working anyway, as would "tech support". I doubt it costs $5-10 per call either, since the lines used are allready paid for and the representatives get paid a certain hourly wage, regardless of how many calls they handle per hour. These are ALL fixed costs of doing business that would exist regardless. False. When call volume is low, the outsourced call center offers its employees VGH, which stands for Voluntary Go Home. Anyone who wants to leave (up to a certain number of people) can leave, as they will not be needed to sit in the queue that day. If not enough people volunteer, IGH is implemented, and the people who have been there the longest are required to go home.
Thus, more customers means more calls means more hours scheduled. More hours scheduled is more money spent on technical support.
So, basically, once the electronics are in place, it costs them nothing to provide service.
Let's not forget that they pay for bandwidth on a scaled basis to upstream providers like Level3. More bandwidth costs more money.
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Alvarado, TX | Re: Tubes were clogged I work in a support center, but I don't take calls. Can I go home too? | |
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