karlmarx
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| Verizon shouldn't get off for free
Remember, Verizon put in the lines when they were subsidized by guaranteed rates. That was a social contract with the citizens to provide universal coverage, for ALL citizens of the state, not just the 'profitable' ones. It looks like Verizon is once again trying to screw the 'people' in exchange for higher profits, notwithstanding the fact that the 'people' paid for the entire infrastructure in the past.
I say, force verizon to upgrade everywhere. Verizon made money in the past by screwing the people, it's high time the people get the benefits of that |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
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| said by karlmarx  :Verizon made money in the past by screwing the people, it's high time the people get the benefits of that The people did. They got their phone lines, and that is all that was promised. Now Verizon wants to sell the assets, and there is nothing wrong with that.
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | you're an industry shill. who do you work for Verizon? |
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Rickez
Goinginsane
join:2000-09-02
Three Rivers, MA | reply to karlmarx
It looks like Verizon is once again trying to screw the 'people' in exchange for higher profits,
Agreed.
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Fountainhead
Premium
join:2003-10-25
New York, NY
clubs: | Its not the job of any US company to look out for the people..
The people have to look out for the people.
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
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| reply to rit56
said by rit56 :you're an industry shill. who do you work for Verizon? I am an industry shill because I think there is nothing wrong with a company selling unprofitable assets??? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense pal. 
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daslog
join:2002-04-10
Milford, NH
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Agreed.
It's not Verizon's responsibility to ensure that every person in New England has access to a Broadband connection. That's the government's job. If the state of Vermont wants to mandate that every one in Vermont has access to a high speed connection, then the state of Vermont should fund it.
Asking a private company to take huges losses isn't going to happen. |
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GlennAllen
join:2002-11-17
Richmond, VA | reply to rit56
Just capitalism at work. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
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said by daslog :Asking a private company to take huges losses isn't going to happen. If Verizon is a private company why do they need some many handouts ? ie Pennsylvania, NJ etc.I wonder if these people have cable because there probably "franchised" into service.
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
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Broadband is not a utility so under no circumstances nobody has the right to push them to provide broadband to Maine since no business will do anything in a unprofitable area. It's not being a corporate shill it's simply a study of economics.
What the people of Main must do is find a solution to there troubles and Verizon should have no say on it either. If they want to block competition that's another matter and anyone who does agree that Verizon should be allowed to block someone else from starting is in reality a corporate shill imho. |
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | reply to daslog
"That's the government's job." No it ain't. |
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Nuts
join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | reply to Michieru2
With triple play, and in VZ case, quad play, the excuse for not services an area for economic reasons is getting harder to justify. |
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daslog
join:2002-04-10
Milford, NH | reply to Michieru2
So it's a private company's duty to take losses on unprofitable customers? |
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daslog
join:2002-04-10
Milford, NH | reply to DaveNJ
I too, was shocked to learn that private companies will accept handouts from the government... |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | reply to wifi4milez
The fact is, Verizon is cherry picking like other ISP. Which is not good for the "people".. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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| said by JamesPC :The fact is, Verizon is cherry picking like other ISP. Which is not good for the "people".. No its not. This is quite the opposite of that actually. The lines are already in place, and Verizon is simply thinking about selling them. How can a company "cherry pick" something they no longer (or soon will no longer) own??
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
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| Verizon, doesn't have the RIGHT to sell those lines. You see, Verizon didn't pay for those lines, the PEOPLE paid for the lines. That's not a hard concept to understand now. The issue is that verizon doesn't feel like servicing the people who paid for the infrastructure over the last 75 years. Verizon would be worthless if it didn't make all the money it made (while part of bell). The lines, and the PEOPLE who paid for the lines, are a national resouce. Verizon should be held responsible for maintaing, and yes, upgrading if necessary. This concept of 'dumping' the unprofitable area's is a travesty, one that the megacorps of amerika continually try and foist off on the unsuspecting public. It's time for the FCC to show some balls, and force verizon to do what's best for the country, Screw the shareholders, they've made their money back a hundred times over already. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | reply to daslog
As a poster above notes, those lines have been subsidized and paid for by taxpayers ten times over, so the violin playing as far as "losses" are concerned is a little much.... |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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| reply to karlmarx
said by karlmarx :Verizon, doesn't have the RIGHT to sell those lines. Riiiight. A private (ie. NON governmental organization) doesnt have the "right" to sell its assets. Thats a good one.
said by karlmarx :Verizon should be held responsible for maintaing, and yes, upgrading if necessary. Verizon is responsible for maintaining all the assets it owns. If they cease to own them, they are no longer responsible for them. Furthermore, Verizon is not required to "upgrade" anything. As a private company they can chose if they wish to spend millions of dollars on an area that will never allow them to recoup the investment. I know its a very tough concept, so try and follow along!
said by karlmarx :This concept of 'dumping' the unprofitable area's is a travesty, one that the megacorps of amerika continually try and foist off on the unsuspecting public. It's time for the FCC to show some balls, and force verizon to do what's best for the country.... Hmmm, I dont even know where to start with this one. If you think the idea of a company having the right to sell any part of its assets is a travesty, then you honestly have a lot more to worry about in life. As for the FCC forcing Verizon to do "whats best for the country", THAT is a "travesty". The FCC has no authority to determine such things, and if it did we would all be in a lot of trouble.
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA
| wifi.... you are missing the entire point. Verizon is not like a normal private company because it uses subsidized money (public money) to build the infrastructer. Just because we gave verizon money to build something does not make it the owner of the lines. Operated by but not owned unless it bought the lines back from the people (government). The lines are not apart of Verizons Assets (unless purchased back) because they are for US. "Verizon was in the right position (part of the Bell family) to build the network for the American PUBLIC." |
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