Tsume
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
 ·Embarq
 ·ViaTalk
 ·Comcast
| AFAIK only Verizon is doing this
quote:
Now a number of network operators are starting to deploy robust technologies like fiber-to-the-home.
"A number?" That number is one, right?
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| said by Tsume  : quote:
Now a number of network operators are starting to deploy robust technologies like fiber-to-the-home.
"A number?" That number is one, right? No. There are a few ISPs that are FTTH.
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Tsume
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
·Embarq
·ViaTalk
·Comcast
| Oh, what I meant was that out of the top 10 cablecos and top 10 telcos, only Verizon is doing this.
Smaller companies are probably doing this, but the impact is insignificant.
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to Tsume
1 million total subscribers from various providers, including municipalities and utilities.
Includes muni's, like Utopia. Of course it'd be even more without all the corporate lawsuits.. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to Tsume
*Most* of the "smaller guys" have fiber connections that blow Verizon out of the water.
I would rather have one of these smaller ISPs(or a Muni) service my house than Verizon. Asymmetrical is so last century! LOL!
SureWest has had 10/10 for a while now(years), and now has 20/20.
"Other" ISPs & Munis have even more on tap for their customers.
There is no real reason why Verizon is dishing out 15/2 or 30/5... 
If these "smaller guys" or Munis can push semi-reality, surely Verizon could too, no?
I'm not going to fawn over Verizon or any other ISP.
I have the fastest available to me.
Perhaps before I die, I will see a fast, symmetrical connection... maybe.
It surely won't be Verizon.
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| reply to dadkins
No one should discount what might be a surprise contender for our future broadband business either in the form of our electric companies.
I can't recall where it was, perhaps here at bbr maybe..but I was reading a story the other day about one in particular and came away feeling that Wow..this could really be the biggest surprise of all to hit the industry.
While all eyes seem to be on the cable and telco wars, don't forget that it wasn't long ago that they themselves weren't really in this game either. They came along and literally took a whole industry away from the likes of many a dialup provider.
Could our electric companies now do the same thing?
This article outlined how this one particular company was going to be putting in fiber and how the main purpose for it was going to be to serve their electric customers with next generation technology.
They also detailed their plans on being an ISP as well, but the real focus of the rollout was electricity related, and come he** or high water, their plans WERE to continue with the FTTH.
While there's so much focus on triple play..how about QUADRUPLE play..in the form of our electric company offering it all..PLUS our electric service?
After all, if lines to our homes are being eliminated, why not truly make it all in one?
I can't help but to think that verizon really has seen all of this writing on the wall for the future and that has caused them to move ahead with their big plans now.
These electric companies could be major players in all this in the future, and the real wild card that's yet to be exposed.
Obviously, they're enormous companies with a lot of financial ability to move heavily into this if they want.
I am simply amazed and dumbfounded at this point that the likes of AT&T hasn't yet come to realize that they MUST do this now if they hope to be a contender for our business a few short years from now.
One thing I DO know is that if Ct.Light and power comes along and starts offering this..between them and the cable operators in this state like Comcast and OOL...there probably will be NO MORE AT&T to talk about.
I mean, lets face it folks. Who's really going to be taking this slow dsl they offer many of their customers in the face of fiber to the home competition?
Not too many.
Not many at all.
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
·Fairpoint Communic..
| You are absolutely correct. My town (taunton, ma) has symettrical Fiber (10/10) for 35.00/month. It's WAY faster/better than comcrap or even Verizons offering. They even offer 100/100 connections for just 120.00/month (I only use the 10/10 though).
The best part about my town is that the electric company is OWNED by the town. They don't have to appease shareholders, hell, they don't even need to show a profit. The ratepayers are subsidizing the internet at the moment, and there's only about 5,000 customers at the moment, but the town has an OC-192 to Boston, and it only runs about 10,000.00/month. That's a GREAT bargain, and everyone who has fiber raves about it. Nothing like downloading a TV show at 1MB/sec (about 5 minutes) from bittorrent sites. And the fact that I can seed at 10mb/sec makes it all the sweeter.
The future is FTTH. And if Verizon doesn't lower it's prices, and increase it's speeds, it's going to be a 'has-been', as they really can't compete against a non-profit town. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | That's what I'm talking about!
I'm envious! |
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Tsume
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
·Embarq
·ViaTalk
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| reply to karlmarx
The only problem is that all of the great fiber connections in the US are all one-town companies, or extremely regional. That makes them statistically insignificant compared to verizon's huge territory.
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
| reply to Rick
You're describing BPL (Broadband over PowerLine), a technology that is both impractical and doomed, because it causes illegal interference to a broad range or radio services from 2-80MHz. Don't be fooled by BPL rollout tests. They are companies that are just soaking up green investors' money (ie, ignorant investors pumping money into this based on marketing informationt that is designed to make BPL look like the next savior of broadband--which it is not).
BPL is actually more expensive to roll out, because it needs more repeaters, and because the power lines are natural antennas, the BPL signal hash will radiate for miles and disrupt a broad portion of the radio communications spectrum. Therefore, it is doomed by its very nature. Don't expect anything beyond trials.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to karlmarx
said by karlmarx The ratepayers are subsidizing the internet at the moment, and there's only about 5,000 customers at the moment, but the town has an OC-192 to Boston, and it only runs about 10,000.00/month. That's a GREAT bargain, and everyone who has fiber raves about it.
[/BQUOTE :And how the hell did your town get such a cheap rate for transit? |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
1 edit | reply to 91439306
Not all BPL cities are doomed. Cincinnati, OH has a very large area that they have with BPL it is OUT of testing and fully operational. Its operated by Current Communications.
Edit: Also the new Equipment by Motorola's Canopy line does has eliminated all of the interference by using Wireless Internet to each transformer. The SM is connected to the transformer and then the low voltage line that is connected to the building is the one carrying the Internet Traffic then back to the wireless back haul.
NOT everything is doomed. There are companies making this work. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
·Fairpoint Communic..
| reply to patcat88
I live in one of those commie blue states. You know, those states where the government actually WORKS for the citizens. In the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts, we have state subsidies for ALL towns to get very cheap internet access. We don't roll over and give Verizon whatever it wants, we tell Verizon what we expect, and verizon provides it. It's a much better system than those right-wing christian nutcase states have, and ALL our citizens benefit. Luckily, we'll be taking back both the House and the Senate next month, so all those weirdo pedophile republican whacko christians will be 'put out to pasture'.. |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
| reply to karlmarx
VZ is holding back, letting the network settle in, and when it does, BANG!
Even in your city only 5,000 of how many (56,251 or less than 10% sign-up). Say 5,000 x $35 = $175,000 a month.
$10,000 a month for the line to the backbone (how much is that? $100,000 a month?). Sounds like a disaster so far. |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | reply to Ahrenl
Taxpayers shouldn't be funding Munis. The poor subsidizing the rich too cheap to pay for it? |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| reply to 91439306
It seems odd that they haven't found a workaround to this.
Are you sure they haven't?
I recall reading in just the last few days a story about a vote that is pending in a community for several tens of millions of dollars to roll out exactly this type of a network over the electric co's lines. There was a fight going on between the electric co. and charter over it.
It seems strange that this would be that far along if this was as doomed as you say and was causing these kinds of problems.
Do you recall seeing this story here at BBR the last few days? I tried to find it but can't.
I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on why this would be that far along if the scenario you've outlined hasn't really been addressed.
Thanks..
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Yet Anon
@verizon.net
| reply to Rick
While there's so much focus on triple play..how about QUADRUPLE play..in the form of our electric company offering it all..PLUS our electric service?
After all, if lines to our homes are being eliminated, why not truly make it all in one? Uh, maybe because you can't transmit power over fiber? It's a completely different product from telephone, Internet and cable service, all three of which amount to moving information in one or both directions. That's why the cable / Internet / phone companies won't get into the utility business in a big way and why the utility companies are unlikely to try a similar crossover on a large scale.
I can't help but to think that verizon really has seen all of this writing on the wall for the future and that has caused them to move ahead with their big plans now It's extremely unlikely that Verizon is concerned with utility companies. It's vastly more likely that they simply want to reduce and eventually eliminate the burden of maintaining copper and they want to cut in on the cable companies' action by offering television service. Not to mention that their profit margins for Internet service are likely to go up over time since they don't have to share their fiber connections with CLECs.
These electric companies could be major players in all this in the future, and the real wild card that's yet to be exposed.
Obviously, they're enormous companies with a lot of financial ability to move heavily into this if they want. Actually, no. In most states the utility companies are extremely heavily regulated in terms of the rates they can charge and the products they can offer. While it's certainly not impossible for them to offer products other than electricity, the likelihood of that occurring on a large scale is slim to put it mildly. To do so would require a truly massive investment that could only be funded through a huge increase in electric rates. Do you seriously believe that any politician would support doubling the electric bill of some little old lady just so that the power company could compete with Verizon by offering you a fiber connection to the Internet? I think not. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to karlmarx
So 10K is only what your town pays, but the state pays for the rest? |
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
| reply to Rick
As Kyle (hottboiinnc) has cited earlier in this thread, some are using wireless for the backhaul (gee, if it's wireless, then is it really BPL?), citing Cincinnati, OH as one example. Sure, this limits the range of interference to some degree, but low voltage power lines are just as good at acting as antennas as high voltage lines, so unless the power level is microscopic and the spectral mask is notched in important frequency ranges, there's going to be a considerable rise in the 'hash' on the communications bands when one of these systems goes online.
I think that the political approach of notching out the portions of spectrum belonging to the most vocal opposition groups will silence many opponents, but that doesn't mean that the problem is objectively solved.
Investors are a fickle bunch. A good company PR job can lead investors to "follow through and not abandon what they already invested considerably in". Some saavy investors may cut their losses, but others will want to believe that a solution is around the corner, and are already in too deep to drop out. I think that's why BPL has lasted far longer than it's technical merits suggest.
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charterbites
join:2005-11-19
Covington, LA | reply to karlmarx
Look Commie boy...What MA wants to do is give it FREE to the ghetto kids at taxpayer's expense. |
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