pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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Re: Who pays for Muni
said by karlmarx  :You object to a town providing services it's citizens deem appropriate and necessary? If the citizens of the town VOTE for a muni broadband project, then it should happen. So if a majority of people vote that taxpayer money should be used to buy everyone in town a Bentley or a Rolls Royce you would also be on board with it?
I'm not sure about Boston, but Philadelphia has experienced a marked increase in overall crime, especially murder in the past 2 years. So much so that some residents are calling for the Mayor to declare a state of emergency to deal with the problem.
But thankfully, the remaining survivors in the city will have free wireless broadband. Come to think of it, how will they be able to use this service? Surely those who cannot afford conventional broadband also cannot afford computers needed to use it. I guess the city will just buy everyone a laptop as well.
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firephoto
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| said by pnh102 :So if a majority of people vote that taxpayer money should be used to buy everyone in town a Bentley or a Rolls Royce you would also be on board with it? Absolutely.
The purpose of a vote is to do as the majority favors and in most places anything that increases taxes requires a 60% of 2/3 majority vote.
Most of you anti-municipal broadband people are essentially saying you don't support a municipality providing or investing in new ways to offset taxes or expenses. I know the thought of wasteful government upsets most but I really can't see how the individual paying more to a business rather than paying that money to the local government benefits the community or the individuals at all. Also you're saying that for some magic reason a business can be successful where the government can't be at doing the _same_exact_thing_.
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pnh102
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| said by firephoto :Most of you anti-municipal broadband people are essentially saying you don't support a municipality providing or investing in new ways to offset taxes or expenses. But the fact remains that no government provided broadband service is cost-free. In just about every situation, tax money is used, or user fees from other government provided services are used to pay for part of the cost. Governments also do not have to pay taxes the way private entities do. This then allows the government to "sell" the service at a cost that is less than what a private company could offer. If anything, this could end up discouraging private investment.
said by firephoto :Also you're saying that for some magic reason a business can be successful where the government can't be at doing the _same_exact_thing_. In the case of Philadelphia, we have a city government that cannot even keep its citizens safe from crime, provide good schools, or keep fire stations open. Even if government-provided broadband was a good thing, is this the kind of government that should be running it?
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Leod
join:2005-11-07
Baton Rouge, LA
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Crime isn't a simple problem to combat and yes, broadband access could very well help in a 2nd/3rd/4th-hand fashion. It may or may not be as important as providing good education and opportunity for people but it does improve quality of living and could attract new opportunities which can blah blah blah blah etc. etc.
I'm sure you get the line of thought and I would have imagine that they would have done something as simple as a cost benefit ratio (among other things) and the people there determined that it is something that would help the community overall. Crime isn't as easily solved as hire more cops or place better teachers into schools or whatever you were trying to imply by bringing violent crimes into a disccusion about broadband. You can disagree all you like about the effectiveness of munibroadband but I'd imagine we should stick to the subject instead of dissecting the social problem of crime. |
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pnh102
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| said by Leod :You can disagree all you like about the effectiveness of munibroadband but I'd imagine we should stick to the subject instead of dissecting the social problem of crime. Crime, and every other social problem that a city government is supposed deal with, is fully pertinent to this discussion because it is that same government that has decided to become a broadband ISP. It is undisputed that the city of Philadelphia is in no way, shape or form performing the job that a municipal government should be doing. How is it logical then for that city to be involved in any sort of fashion with broadband?
That would be like seeing a worker in an auto factory who doesn't use the tools right, damages product and never gets anything done correctly and putting that individual in charge of HR.
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karlmarx
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| "That would be like seeing a worker in an auto factory who doesn't use the tools right, damages product and never gets anything done correctly and putting that individual in charge of HR."
What exactly are you trying to say. Are you saying BECAUSE it's the government, they can't do it right? I dispute your assertation. My local town (taunton, MA) provides muni electricy, and muni broadband (10/10) for 35.00/month. That's like having an auto worker who does his job right, and makes 25.00/hr, and makes the cars perfectly and cost effectively. And no, the auto worker isn't in charge of HR, because he's not an HR person.
My town is GREAT. I pay LESS for electricity than 1 town over (which uses NSTAR, which has rates 25-40% higher. I pay LESS than 65.00/month for 4/384 which comcast charges. All in all, the benefits my town provides me makes it a GREAT place to live, and the FTTH has dramatically increaased property values (average home sales was 445,000 last year). |
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Champlin, MN | increased property values goes against your comunist vision.. how can a non fat cat move into your neighborhood?? |
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pnh102
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said by karlmarx :What exactly are you trying to say. Are you saying BECAUSE it's the government, they can't do it right? Yes!
A city that can't keep its own citizens safe from crime or its own schools running correctly is in no position to act as an ISP.
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3 edits | said by pnh102 :A city that can't keep its own citizens safe from crime or its own schools running correctly is in no position to act as an ISP. Exactly. I dare Mr. karlmarx or anyone else to give even one small example where the government provided a good or service more efficiently and cost-effectively, without public subsidies or sweetheart deals (as in sports stadiums), than a comparable private-sector vendor investing their own capital. A pure apples-to-apples smackdown. They can't do it because it never happens.
Refer back to my remark about lazy government and connect the dots. Karl thinks his government cares about him? Oh my! How can we feel bad for a guy who pays ten dollars for a five dollar job...and is grateful?
That warm feeling you have inside is from the publically-funded enema being shoved up your asshole.
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