Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA | HD TV?
Single HD stream is one thing, multiple streams seems to be the challenge... that and still maintain a competitive internet package. |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
1 edit | till i see more then one HD stream and speeds = to FiOS this is all smoke and mirrors |
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maartena
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
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Re: HD TV?
said by elios  :till i see more then one HD stream and speeds = to FiOS this is all smoke and mirrors Agreed. I have had a dual-tuner HDTV DVR for a year or more now, and although I don't have a HDTV yet I know I can already receive god-knows-how-many HDTV channels at the same time.
I believe that if I were to buy 4 HDTVs, and get 3 more HDTV tuner boxes from Time Warner, I would be able to watch a HDTV channel simultaniously on any one of them.
The biggest problem with Uverse and FIOS type TV systems is the lack of bandwidth. FIOS is already a LOT better because it can grow its bandwidth with the need of the consumer. A fiberoptic cable can easily handle 1 Gbit/s for instance. No VDSL type connection can handle that.
Cable companies are lucky. They don't have to deploy costly fiber to the home. With the removal of analog TV from cable systems by 2009 they free up bandwidth for about 200 more HDTV quality channels. (One analog channel takes 6 Mhz, I believe a digital HDTV channel only takes 2 Mhz on the cable spectrum)
Plus, DOCSIS 3.0 will be released by then which also can use the newly freed up analog spectrum and bring speeds of 100 Mbps to the livingroom with no problem at all.
Unfortunately, I believe that both Satellite and Cable TV will continue to rule the TV market. If you hate cable, satellite TV is the best way to go, along with a FIOS or VDSL type connection.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Fiber TV carries a analog RF signal that get coverted to coax eventually, so it basically all the bandwidth of cable TV, ADSL cant carry 1 ghz of RF. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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| reply to maartena
Re: HD TV?
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I believe that if I were to buy 4 HDTVs, and get 3 more HDTV tuner boxes from Time Warner, I would be able to watch a HDTV channel simultaniously on any one of them.
Yep. You can.
Even my mother has a Comcast DVR plus a new HD Series 3 TiVo for 4 HD streams for just on her one HDTV. She has an additional TiVo recording SD digital with a cable box. My mother is not an early adopter, she's not a geek. She just likes her TV a lot. The networks just want to put all the programming on during a very small window of time.
The moment I read the bandwidth capabilities of U-Verse I knew there was trouble. If you're going to deploy a next-generation service it needs to at least stand up to current offerings, and it doesn't. It's really quite a sad waste of time and energy. Two HD streams should be an absolute minimum. One HD stream is a pathetic joke.
People continue to want more and more bandwidth. By the time they get any of this U-Verse rolled out, they're going to need to dedicate the whole pipe just to internet service if they want at least that component to be competitive.
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DslTrblShoot
join:2004-09-23 | reply to maartena
Man ya'll are so harsh!
If you remember when satellite first started, you could only watch 1 station at a time in the whole house, now you can watch whatever station on whatever number of tvs...
Give them time to work the bugs out... |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Hd is new tecnology for us so give it time. |
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imrf
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join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI
·Comcast
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| said by brooklynman4 :Hd is new tecnology for us so give it time. New for who? HD has been out for 20 years now, granted only 12 or so years for the US. There isn't anything new with it.ATT is just slow to deliver, this is nothing new. |
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jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | They will be releasing uverse in my area within the year, where can i look at some estimated prices for this?
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| reply to maartena
Re: HD TV?
FIOS IS NOT IPTV, the on demand side is ! just like cable.
What don't people get about this.
FIOS is using the same technology the cable cos use to bring you tv just moving the node closer to your home for less copper maintenance.
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| reply to patcat88
NO fiber carries a digital signal which gets converted to a analog/digital signal at the ONT if they choose to use analog at all which it looks like they won't have to soon.
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | reply to imrf
SAT was 20 years before direct tv and dish network remember those huge dishes |
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travelguy
join:1999-09-03
Santa Fe, NM
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said by maartena :Cable companies are lucky. They don't have to deploy costly fiber to the home. With the removal of analog TV from cable systems by 2009 they free up bandwidth for about 200 more HDTV quality channels. There is no requirement that cable companies remove analog channels by any date, much less 2009. You seem to be confused with the OTA analog law. I'm not aware of any cable company that will be eliminating analog channels for a long time. |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
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said by BosstonesOwn :NO fiber carries a digital signal which gets converted to a analog/digital signal at the ONT if they choose to use analog at all which it looks like they won't have to soon. That is completely wrong I'm afraid. FiOS TV works exactly the same as an HFC cable system but with the 'node' moved to the ONT. The video signal (with about 800MHz bandwidth) is modulated onto a separate color on the fiber as an analog signal. Within this signal are numerous TV channels using a mixture of analog and QAM 256 modulation. At the ONT this signal is simply received by a photodiode and amplified before feeding out over coax. The only exception to this is VOD, which is carried as IPTV. |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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said by travelguy :said by maartena :Cable companies are lucky. They don't have to deploy costly fiber to the home. With the removal of analog TV from cable systems by 2009 they free up bandwidth for about 200 more HDTV quality channels. There is no requirement that cable companies remove analog channels by any date, much less 2009. You seem to be confused with the OTA analog law. I'm not aware of any cable company that will be eliminating analog channels for a long time. There is no law that would force cable to stop using analog on their systems in 2009. But there are engineering and marketing reasons to do so. The more analog channels they get rid of, the more SD and HD digital channels they can add.
Also if they can get rid of all analog channels, they will get either cablecards or STB's in all their customers houses. Cablecards would encourage people to upgrade to more expensive digital pkgs. And STB's, which they would prefer until 2 way cablecards come out, activates VOD, onscreen guide, etc. In both cases, they can get more money from each customer.
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | reply to DslTrblShoot
U-Verse is the BUG! |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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said by DMS1 :said by BosstonesOwn :NO fiber carries a digital signal which gets converted to a analog/digital signal at the ONT if they choose to use analog at all which it looks like they won't have to soon. That is completely wrong I'm afraid. FiOS TV works exactly the same as an HFC cable system but with the 'node' moved to the ONT. The video signal (with about 800MHz bandwidth) is modulated onto a separate color on the fiber as an analog signal. Within this signal are numerous TV channels using a mixture of analog and QAM 256 modulation. At the ONT this signal is simply received by a photodiode and amplified before feeding out over coax. The only exception to this is VOD, which is carried as IPTV. Are you serious ? How can fiber a digital medium carry analog signals ? It is turned into an analog signal at the ONT. Are you really serious about what you just said ?
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