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rotty97

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Re: Place your bets - Closed vs Stealthed

Apprarently the response a hacker gets from a "Stealthed" port is different then a response you get from an IP that doesn't exist. So stealthing a port is just as good as having it closed. The hacker knows your their but can't do much with you unless you have unsecure apps listening on the internet.

cheers, rotty

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Re: Place your bets - Closed vs Stealthed

said by rotty97 See Profile :

Apprarently the response a hacker gets from a "Stealthed" port is different then a response you get from an IP that doesn't exist.
if all of your ports are FILTERED(i hate 'stealthed' term), it will appear exactly the same as non-existing ip, so 'a hacker' will not get a different response because he will not get a response at all.
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Re: Place your bets - Closed vs Stealthed

said by MxxCon See Profile :

said by rotty97 See Profile :

Apprarently the response a hacker gets from a "Stealthed" port is different then a response you get from an IP that doesn't exist.
if all of your ports are FILTERED(i hate 'stealthed' term), it will appear exactly the same as non-existing ip, so 'a hacker' will not get a different response because he will not get a response at all.
Not true. A response from a non-existant IP should be "Destination unreacheable" whereas there is NO response from a "Filtered" IP port. Or something like that! If one is paying attention that of course means something is there, it's just not answering. In that sense "Filtered" makes more sense than "Stealthed!"

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Re: Place your bets - Closed vs Stealthed

said by jbob See Profile :

Not true. A response from a non-existant IP should be "Destination unreacheable" whereas there is NO response from a "Filtered" IP port.
that is incorrect because "Destination Unreachable" is an ICMP error message, where as port scans are either TCP or UDP.
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Re: Place your bets - Closed vs Stealthed

That you send TCP/UDP or ICMP packets makes no difference, if you don't exist, the last router should send back an "host unreachable" ICMP message.

That's why indeed "FILTERED" is probably more right than "stealth", because that's what you do, filtering (drop).
The absence of any message clearly shows you are there, dropping packets. "Stealth" is misleading in the way it could mean invisible.

The advantages of stealth are not to make you invisible, but rather to allow you to mitigate reflective attacks and in few cases to save upstream bandwidth. Also, security scanners such as nmap need at least one open port and one closed port to guess your OS. If you are running a server (some IM software or P2P are acting like servers) and you are not sending back responses from closed ports, it may help to prevent giving away too much information about your OS.

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