major marco
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join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
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The U.S. will never achieve similiar penetration levels of the EC or Japan. Never. At least until the telcos have their pet politicians pass a law that allows them to nix Net Neutrality and double dip. And the pending AT&T giveaway will be especially conducive to keeping the country at the bottom of the broadband penetration chart.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| It should be also interesting to note, that the US has at least double the overall amount of broadband users than the next nearest country, and in some cases, more broadband users than some of the other countries total population (i.e. Canada has only ~30 million people vs. 54 million US broadband subs). |
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24 | "We still have the most total connections" You mean we're #1!!!
U S A! U S A! U S A! U S A! U S A! |
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nalaregeork
join:2004-08-25
Yorktown Heights, NY
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Statistics are a great tool that politicians and people with a political agenda use to manipulate us all into thinking one way or the other.
I think monopolies are really our worst enemies I beleive in free enterprise the trouble is we are regulated to the hilt. If a small town wanted to wire themselves I think they would meet with a lot of roadblocks. Try and see if you can put a wire up on a utility pole (legally) and you will find out who really owns what. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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said by en102  :It should be also interesting to note, that the US has at least double the overall amount of broadband users than the next nearest country, and in some cases, more broadband users than some of the other countries total population (i.e. Canada has only ~30 million people vs. 54 million US broadband subs). It should be noted that the US has more because only China and India have more people than the US.
So a country that has say 100 million people where 20% are literate is more educated than one that has 10 million, but 95% are literate, because the bigger country has 20 million literate people while smaller country only has 9.5 million? |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| I never said that the US is more broadband connected than the other countries...
To take your analogy in a different perspective...
A country that has 300 million people and 58 million of them are educated, while a country of 30 million has 7 million educated, the percentages are 19.3% vs. 23%, however, the overall amount of educated in the first country are almost double the entire population of the first. Ratios are one thing, raw numbers are another. 1 in 5 is easier to obtain than 1 million out of 5 million.
Also, many countries have a lot higher urban to rural ratio than the US does, which, in typical business speak, 'are not profitable' (actually should be seen as 'not profitable enough'). I may not always agree with the politics on it, but hasn't USF/FUSF slush fund already been paid into ? |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by en102 :Also, many countries have a lot higher urban to rural ratio than the US does, which, in typical business speak, 'are not profitable' (actually should be seen as 'not profitable enough'). I may not always agree with the politics on it, but hasn't USF/FUSF slush fund already been paid into ? Also as I said compare the small US states with large populations and ask why their broadband penetration is far behind those other countries. Aren't they of similar size and popuation density? |
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squid7
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join:2006-09-02 | reply to en102
With the US population as large as it is, I wouldn't be surprised if Comcast alone has more broadband users and entire countries do. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
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I'm sure there's some politics to it...
Most countries: DSL/Cable 'somewhat' subsidized to deploy, but higher cost
US: DSL/Cable corp will fight for market share where it is profitable, but ignore the rest. E.g. I'm sure NYC has a high availability and competition, while portions upstate may be left unserviced or serviced by one provider at a high cost. |
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short09
join:2006-07-21
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said by major marco :the pending AT&T giveaway will be especially conducive to keeping the country at the bottom of the broadband penetration chart. i wonder hoe much money fcc is gonna get out of this deal |
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nalaregeork
join:2004-08-25
Yorktown Heights, NY
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Funny you should mention it
I don't live up there but I do get up there a bunch. Somone asked me to look into what could be done in a low population community. I asked a number of people who might be clued in and came to the conclussion that there was almost nothing that could be done. The CO was far from everyone and not all that well provisioned.
Bottom line was that even the most extreme distanced community wireless was going to cost them more then they could stand to pay. I had to assume that not everyone up there was going to contribute funds and some just flat out couldn't afford it. That bothers me a bit that it was nearly insurmountable to get them even a minimal broadband connection so they remain dialup users... |
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