nightdesigns
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| Same in my City The city in which I live in, Irvine, CA, has the same issue. They had a very lenghty council meeting with one of the Lightspeed reps over this issue a few weeks back. Keep in mind, this is a city where we don't have any telephone/electric poles (everything is underground). Cell towers here are few and far inbetween because "they are ugly".
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 nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| Re: Same in my City said by nightdesigns  :... Cell towers here are few and far inbetween because "they are ugly". disguise them as palm trees - I saw one like this along the PCH in Ventura. I had to do a double-take when I first saw it. | |
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Topmounter
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Evergreen, CO | Paint it so it looks like an A-class Mercedes  | |
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| carpdiem
join:2001-02-11
Cedarburg, WI | Re: Same in my City The paint on the cabinets is special from a heat/cold/rust stand functionality. By painting them it would void the warranty from the manufacturer. Although I'm not sure how graffiti would affect not only the paint but the warranty? | |
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Old_Grouch
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| Re: Same in my City I believe the paint is also warranted to be graffiti-resistant. Kiddies spray them and techs can wipe (with a bit of effort) it back to original.
Saw a video someplace.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| said by nightdesigns :Cell towers here are few and far inbetween because "they are ugly". I'll bet the same people also whine equally hard about cell phones not working.
I always thought the FCC could overrule any local or state restrictions on cell tower placement.
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ronpin
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Nirvana | They only do what the NSA tells 'em to... So how could it be their fault? | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
|  Re: They only do what the NSA tells 'em to...
said by ronpin :So how could it be their fault? Yes, you are right. All of the people of Irvine, CA, who oppose cell phone towers actually work for the NSA. The NSA of course, overruled the FCC when it came to putting up a cell phone tower in their town.
*Slaps head*
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ronpin
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1 edit | Re: They only do what the NSA tells 'em to... As a shill for the 30% Fascist crowd -- your pretty good. Rule #1 -- always cast doubt on others by turning their point into a joke. Too bad you guys have already shot-yer-wad -- 'cause your as good as any shill out there
I just wonder why the fascists don't think they will be subject to the fascists dictates they helped usher-in? Will the NSA delete your phone records -- because you contributed to the Right?
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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| Re: They only do what the NSA tells 'em to... said by ronpin :Will the NSA delete your phone records -- because you contributed to the Right? Absolutely. Also, when I flash my voter registration card at the gas pump, it takes $2 off of the price per gallon that I pay.
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ronpin
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Nirvana
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| Re: They only do what the NSA tells 'em to... said by pnh102 :said by ronpin :Will the NSA delete your phone records -- because you contributed to the Right? Absolutely. Also, when I flash my voter registration card at the gas pump, it takes $2 off of the price per gallon that I pay. well sure...you guys get a 1 cent discount per voter registration card...
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N3OGH
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| said by ronpin :As a shill for the 30% Fascist crowd -- your pretty good. Rule #1 -- always cast doubt on others by turning their point into a joke. Too bad you guys have already shot-yer-wad -- 'cause your as good as any shill out there I just wonder why the fascists don't think they will be subject to the fascists dictates they helped usher-in? Will the NSA delete your phone records -- because you contributed to the Right? And when all else really fails, resort to petty name calling.
And why am I feeding the trolls?
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| fiberguy
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| Re: Same in my City I'm SOOOOOO tired of "not in my back yard"....
If the phone companies want to play nice and good neigbor, they will, and mostly should. HOWEVER, home owners, scratch that, INEXPERIENCED home owners should know that "lawn ornaments" are a fact of life. SOme people wind up with them, some don't. But, the thing that these people don't get is that it's not on "their yard"... it's in the easement which they technically don't have ownership / rights over in the first place.
Some reasonings that creack me up, as well, is ..
"They have no right"
"Well, *I* don't use / I don't want their service, get it out"
"It's ugly" - no kidding?
"I'll just bury it" or "I'll plant rose bushes around it" and then do.
Some people think that since it didn't exist before that it doesn't have a right to now. Or, that if something is the way it is, it will always be.. when they do in fact reserve the right to make changes..
This battle will go on, people will meet over it, and money and time will be wasted.. someone will even devote their cause to getting rid of these boxes.. however, AS ALWAYS, it will go no-where and the boxes will remain.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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| Re: Same in my City said by fiberguy :HOWEVER, home owners, scratch that, INEXPERIENCED home owners should know that "lawn ornaments" are a fact of life. It's funny you mention that. On my yard there is a nice big blocky looking box that belongs to the power company. I'm guessing it is some kind of transformer although that doesn't matter. I suppose if I want to indulge in a luxury such as electricity, I will have to put up with said box 
Actually... it doesn't bother me at all.
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| | bogey780
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| The funny part is these aren't placed in the front lawn. Those type of boxes are placed on side of houses or around back. They're few and far between. The electric company has a bigger footprint then the cable and telco RTs. Every couplehouses have to have a 3x3ft transformer. For the other guys it's 1 big box for several hundred and plenty of small ones. | |
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| Re: Same in my City Yea... no kidding, huh?
I can recall being bitched at, screamed at, and made to feel that I was murdering someone's child because there was a 1' green pedestal sticking out of the ground in their yard. However, it was 16" away from the sidewalk and mostly in the center part between the two houses. (Yes some are bigger as we know) but it's a fact of life. These boxes have to exist.
The other alternative, in SOME cases, is to put the services back on poles. It would eliminate much of these horrible life ending access peds as they are now, but then people would have to complain about the poles and the over head drops to the house instead.
But, I can certainly see if these peds are placed in inconvenient places, as I've seen some, where they are right on the end of their driveways so they are constantly hit by cars. Other than that, my attitide is so what. I've got all three in my yard AND a manhole but life goes on.
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Here | Re: Same in my City I have a huge transformer literally in the middle of my front yard. I also have a telco and cable ped at the property line. Big whoop. | |
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join:2005-04-01
Seattle, WA | Re: Same in my City What I don't get is in my sister's neighborhood, telco and cable run in the easement along the back of the property, but electric runs up in the front of the property about 3 inches from the sidewalk. Tacky as hell if you ask me. | |
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join:2004-04-24
Pompano Beach, FL
·Speakeasy
1 edit | said by fiberguy :I'm SOOOOOO tired of "not in my back yard".... But, the thing that these people don't get is that it's not on "their yard"... it's in the easement which they technically don't have ownership / rights over in the first place. The courts have ruled that an easement is restricted to the stated purpose. For instance, All those companies laying fibre optic lines next to Railroad tracks got a BIG surprise when the courts ruled against them (in favor of the landowners). I.E. The Railroads had no rights to add fibre to their easement.
»www.findarticles.com/p/articles/···n8983756
»www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&c···aWcVgtMA
"AT&T TO SETTLE FIBER OPTIC CABLE CLASS ACTION
TO PAY LANDOWNERS $45,000 PER MILE"
»www.pur.com/pubs/3787.cfm
"What Price an Easement?"
"Setting Market Value in Fiber Optic Corridors"
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In this thread.. AT&T is mis-using easements on private property intended for utility services for their own private profit seeking purposes. (Unregulated TV and Internet.)
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: Same in my City I don't think that these rulings have a bearing on the AT&T project anyway. This is part of their network upgrade.. | |
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join:2005-10-25
Phoenix, AZ | i agree, everybody pisses and moans about these pedestals placed in the utility easement, but yet they want all the latest cutting edge services.... | |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
1 edit | The Bells DON'T want the title of a utility anymore UNLESS it serves their purposes.
Video - We are a competitor not a utility so we can just redline.
Telephone - Hey, we are the phone company and have a duty (a mandatory one) to provide phone service to everyone. So, with that being said, we don't want Joe's Telco coming in here, sharing lines, and taking out customers. We made the investment so why should CLECs get in? (Of course, HUGE tax breaks and monopoly power granted to A UTILITY allowed to build it in the first place. Even taxes did).
What should happen?
If they put a telephone line in a city where a cable co has to wire everyone, the Bells are NO exception and should be REQUIRED to do so including DSL, IPTV, etc. Or, allow competition from anyone (not tax-based).
Town XYZ
30% is served by TWC and 70% served by Comcast.
If the Telco wants to serve just 25%, then someone else (since the Bell claims they are NOT a utility anymore) gets to serve the other 75%.
Banks can't redline without fines. Neither should anyone else that looks like a utility do so either. | |
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