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theeinstein
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join:2003-07-31
Fernandina Beach, FL
Better Yet

I say if they want to freaking complain.. Just pull it all out... No cell coverage, No broadband, heck cut the copper... Plenty of other people would love to have broadband!!

Screw those whiny piss ants!


ArgMeMatey

join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI
·AT&T Midwest

That's a good point. I'll bet anyone in my municipality can get DSL at a decent rate, and cable is also available to everyone. Everything is so small-scale here there is no need for RTs (copper). The lots are small, around 45x130, and the right-of-ways are narrow (70') so maybe they should just forget about us and put their FTTN out in the newer 'burbs where there is plenty of room for this stuff.

I have seen about every cross box around here and they all are relatively small and sited much more discreetly than the u-verse node.

Regarding the number of nodes needed, there are 6700 housing units in my municipality. If they can serve 300 housing units out of one node, they need 25 nodes here to serve about 110 square blocks. So roughly one out of four blocks would have a node. I would guess that 25% of those could be sited unobtrusively, in front of commercial properties and so on. So that leaves about 18 lucky households. Never mind that these things are so huge I wouldn't want one on my block. If I were one of the "lucky" 18, I would want someone's head on a platter.
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cwh

join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX

said by ArgMeMatey See Profile :

That's a good point. I'll bet anyone in my municipality can get DSL at a decent rate, and cable is also available to everyone. Everything is so small-scale here there is no need for RTs (copper). The lots are small, around 45x130, and the right-of-ways are narrow (70') so maybe they should just forget about us and put their FTTN out in the newer 'burbs where there is plenty of room for this stuff.

I have seen about every cross box around here and they all are relatively small and sited much more discreetly than the u-verse node.

Regarding the number of nodes needed, there are 6700 housing units in my municipality. If they can serve 300 housing units out of one node, they need 25 nodes here to serve about 110 square blocks. So roughly one out of four blocks would have a node. I would guess that 25% of those could be sited unobtrusively, in front of commercial properties and so on. So that leaves about 18 lucky households. Never mind that these things are so huge I wouldn't want one on my block. If I were one of the "lucky" 18, I would want someone's head on a platter.
From what i have seen here in San Antonio most of the new boxes are completely unobtrusive and you would not even notice if you were not looking for them. This city that is stopping progress is doing a great disservice to its residents.


ArgMeMatey

join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI
·AT&T Midwest

said by cwh See Profile :

From what i have seen here in San Antonio most of the new boxes are completely unobtrusive and you would not even notice if you were not looking for them. This city that is stopping progress is doing a great disservice to its residents.
I've never been to San Antonio so please enlighten me to help dispel my admittedly prejudicial "everything's bigger in Texas" stereotype. My off-the-cuff impression is that this whole FTTN setup was designed by a bunch of lawnmower-riding SBC Texans living in ranch houses on the open range, rather than midwestern & great lakes Miller drinkers living in pre-war bungalows.

How wide is the average lot in San Antonio?
How wide are rights-of-way?
Where are other utilities located: Backyard poles or pedestals & pad mounts along street right-of-ways?
Where are the nodes you have seen located in relation to houses?
Are there sidewalks?

Remember the city is the residents. If elected officials are not representing the interests of residents, residents are doing a disservice to themselves. Rest assured many people here prioritize like this:
1. Quality of life
2. Property value
3. More cable TV choices

Note that #3 is "more" not "better". Good luck arguing that #1 and #3 are not mutually exclusive.
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cwh

join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX

said by ArgMeMatey See Profile :

said by cwh See Profile :

From what i have seen here in San Antonio most of the new boxes are completely unobtrusive and you would not even notice if you were not looking for them. This city that is stopping progress is doing a great disservice to its residents.
I've never been to San Antonio so please enlighten me to help dispel my admittedly prejudicial "everything's bigger in Texas" stereotype. My off-the-cuff impression is that this whole FTTN setup was designed by a bunch of lawnmower-riding SBC Texans living in ranch houses on the open range, rather than midwestern & great lakes Miller drinkers living in pre-war bungalows.

1.How wide is the average lot in San Antonio?
2.How wide are rights-of-way?
3.Where are other utilities located: Backyard poles or pedestals & pad mounts along street right-of-ways?
4.Where are the nodes you have seen located in relation to houses?
5. Are there sidewalks?

1. Typical lot size is probably a 1/6 of an acre. Not exactly a ranch.
2. I dont know, but it seems to vary. From what I have seen there seems to ample space for utility cabinets.
3. Varied. Some stuff in on poles, some is buried.
Remember the city is the residents. If elected officials are not representing the interests of residents, residents are doing a disservice to themselves. Rest assured many people here prioritize like this:
1. Quality of life
2. Property value
3. More cable TV choices

Note that #3 is "more" not "better". Good luck arguing that #1 and #3 are not mutually exclusive.
You are right, more is not better. However having a single choice is typically not an ideal situation either. The new boxes are not affecting 1 or 2 as far as i can tell. That city is basically complaining about little. The lightspeed box is abouta 1/4 of the size of previously installed pronto box in the background.

theeinstein
Premium
join:2003-07-31
Fernandina Beach, FL

reply to ArgMeMatey
I say there is no arguing just pull it out.. Nothing says those companies must do business in that area... If it isn't in their best interest. Eventually those pricks would come back pissing and moaning about not having anything.. just give em time!!
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