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koam
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[request] "Post reply" and "Topic reply" buttons should be clea

While most of us understand the functionality of the "Post reply" button the words are not as clear as they might be - resulting in some people hitting one button when they clearly meant to hit the other.

The reason for this is that "Post" is both a noun and a verb, with highly related meanings. Adding to the confusion, "Reply" is both a noun and a verb: "to Reply," the verb, as in, "I'm gonna REPLY to this POST," and the noun, "Reply," as in, "I'm about to POST a REPLY to this TOPIC"

When we have a button that reads "Post reply" it strongly suggests "Post" is a verb, as in, "when you click this button, you can POST a REPLY."

But when contrasted with the "Topic reply" button, we can see that what the "Post reply" button text means is "REPLY to this POST " (where POST is a noun, meaning the specific comment left by a user within this TOPIC).

I'm in my 7th year here and have 6K+ posts and a slew of topics under my belt.

I feel that if the buttons were more clearly and discriminably labeled, there would be less confusion among newer members and fewer mistakes by experienced members (and we do see plenty of mistakes wherein people clearly intended to hit "Post Reply" or "Topic Reply" but hit the opposite one). Anyone reading this forum and understanding this post is not likely to be making the mistake. This is to make it more intuitive for other users, thereby making the dialogue in our forums more useful for everyone.

Suggestion:

•"Post reply" becomes "Reply to USERNAME"
•"Topic Reply" becomes "Reply to this Topic"
•Buttons should be near each other to reinforce that the user has a choice to either reply to an individual user's post or to the entire topic.


space be damned...other suggestions, with rationale, welcome.

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Hi Sal, you nice.


Ken
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Re: "Post reply" and "Topic reply" buttons should be clearer

I think that topic reply should just be removed altogether. Just have post reply as the only option. If you want to respond to the thread as a whole just click on post reply from the first post, that is essentially all that topic reply is.
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koam
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I undersand the concept, but on a long thread, the original poster's Reply To button would only be way up at the top of the page...or even on a prior page, in the case of a multi-page topic.

This might increase the chance that people who want to reply to the Topic or OP, not to the last member who posted, would instead hit the button to reply to the last poster out of convenience...because they are most likely to be reading the last posts, which are at the bottom of the page. I think it could increase the incidence of errors, not decrease it.
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Hi Sal, you nice.


Rob A
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bobrk
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reply to koam
said by koam:

I undersand the concept, but on a long thread, the original poster's Reply To button would only be way up at the top of the page...or even on a prior page, in the case of a multi-page topic.

This might increase the chance that people who want to reply to the Topic or OP, not to the last member who posted, would instead hit the button to reply to the last poster out of convenience...because they are most likely to be reading the last posts, which are at the bottom of the page. I think it could increase the incidence of errors, not decrease it.
Currently, there is a button at the top of each thread saying Reply to Topic. Leave that one and lose the one at the bottom where it's way too close to the "post reply" button.

*sign* to rethinking it anyway.
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koam
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Oh, I'm sure I've never used the one at the very top....not sure I ever saw it! thanks

digital k
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Good idea, *sign*

Mele20
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This is the umpteenth time this has been discussed here. Nil has stated unequivocably that Topic reply is going nowhere.
Here's the last time it was stated that Topic reply is not on the table to be changed or removed.
»Re: Clarify wording on "post" and "topic" reply bu

I have never used the reply to topic at the top of the page. Why? Because I am almost never at the top of the page when I want to reply. I'm at the bottom usually. Take away "topic reply" and I'll just reply to last poster rather than scroll all the way back up to the top to get the topic reply button.

I don't understand why the wording is considered confusing by some. It is very clear to me. Generally I want to reply to topic. Sometimes I reply to an individual post but mostly to the topic especially if replying to more than one poster in one post. I would be upset if that bottom reply to topic was taken away or if the wording changed because the wording of both of them have always made sense to me.

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koam
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as I stated, this isn't for you - it's for all the people who obviously don't get it.


Corvus
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I don't see a lot of confusion about that, but hey, re-thinking how things are done is never a bad idea and usually lead to improved/new features.

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Mele20
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said by koam:

as I stated, this isn't for you - it's for all the people who obviously don't get it.
Ok...but I was just wondering why you started the thread when the site admin has stated that Topic Reply is not going anywhere. This request has been made numerous times during 5+ years I have been a member and each time the response is that Topic Reply stays.
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koam
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that thread was a year and a half old...and older... and i didn't know about it. the fact that i came up with exactly the same issue that many others had signed to speaks to its merits.


GercekSeytan
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Oh what the heck...

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TDNickell
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If you think it will really help!
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burner50
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*object*

Then the autoquote button would be useless....

I like it the way it is.


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said by burner50:

Then the autoquote button would be useless....
Why would changing the text/making the buttons larger render AutoQuote useless??

Or did you, perchance, use TOPIC REPLY instead of Post Reply - precisely the issue that the OP is trying to address?
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koam
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The Edit button is to the right of the Print button. I'm sorry if you didn't understand my original post. Is there something that I can explain better?


Chinabound
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reply to koam
"Post reply" becomes "Reply to USERNAME"
Some people have very long user names. Wouldn't this cause a problem with the button?

"Topic Reply" becomes "Reply to this Topic"
What's the difference?

The only possible way I see to help people correctly select the post reply button, is to move it up a ½ inch, within the post box itself. (Never mind, many members use signatures, which would look stupid and not help.) have the button follow the last sentence of their post.

Sorry, respectfully object.


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*object*

Mele20
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I have had some members here tell me that I used Topic Reply incorrectly. I did not. Topic reply means reply to the gist of the entire thread. It doesn't mean reply only to the OP's first post. So, anytime that you want to reply to several posts at once and tie it all together in coherent paragraphs then you use Topic Reply.

I think some of the periodic complaint regarding these buttons has to do with not understanding what Topic Reply refers to...note that it does not say Reply to OP. There is a difference between replying to the OP and replying to the topic.

I don't use nested view but I suspect that the complaints usually come from those who do. I find nested view impossible to follow but I know some like it and to get to the bottom of why some users don't understand the difference between Post Reply and Topic Reply may mean asking if those who most want a change use nested view. Maybe I am completely wrong here as I don't use nested view but I'm throwing this out as a possibliity for why there seem to be problems for some with understanding what the buttons mean.

If any change, I would like to see it clarified that reply to OP is NOT the same necessarily as Topic Reply. Post reply to the OP is there in the right hand corner of the first post. Topic Reply is generic to the Topic not necessarily specific only to the OP's first post. That could be clarified and I would vote for that.
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burner50
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said by koam:

The Edit button is to the right of the Print button. I'm sorry if you didn't understand my original post. Is there something that I can explain better?
I'm not sure why your brought that up but i misread somebody's post I thought they wanted to get rid of the "Post Reply" instead of the "Topic reply" so I retract my previous statement

But i still like it just the way that it is, Renaming some buttons wouldnt be a bad idea but leave them all where they are and keep them doing what they're doing as it is.


koam
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I brought it up because if you are confused, it will only confuse others.


koam
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I have always thought that replying to the OP and Topic Reply are the same thing. The result always seemed to be the same to me.


bobrk
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Yes, they are functionally the same thing. The OP gets an IM if they have notifications set, which is probably the most important reason for the distinction between these buttons, if you ask me.

Mele20
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It is the same thing as to how it displays (as a reply to the OP) and I think there should be a change (since you brought up change) to indicate Topic Reply as a reply to whole thread as opposed to reply to OP's original post. So, to me it is a "mind set" but the actual result on the screen is the same whether you choose Post reply on the OP's first post or Topic Reply.


koam
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said by bobrk:

... the distinction between these buttons, if you ask me.
I'm asking.

Your post does not describe a distinction. Please explain.
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state
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said by Mele20:

I think there should be a change (since you brought up change) to indicate Topic Reply as a reply to whole thread as opposed to reply to OP's original post.
A topic reply is a reply to the original poster though. Without the original post, there would be no topic.


bobrk
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You said

I have always thought that replying to the OP and Topic Reply are the same thing. The result always seemed to be the same to me.
I made a post agreeing with you. Perhaps my poor writing skills didn't make that clear.
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koam
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You did not make it clear.


bobrk
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I refered to the buttons instead of the tasks.