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| Re: He could be right said by Karl Bode  :And if there's a failure when it comes to these programs it's not in the ambition area, it's ussually in the deploymet promise follow-up and accountability department. If he can get the bureaucracy to follow thru and speed up the paperwork process for approving fiber installs and wireless towers, etc., then his initiative is well worth it. If no real changes occur, then it is just more bloated state workers on the payroll and higher taxes. Given California's history, I'm betting on more bloat and higher taxes.
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| Re: He could be right I agree. I hate how everything someone does near election time is touted by the other side as being nothing more than election time politics. If you can show a clear correlation of awkward timing then the accusation can be made. If not then don't make stuff up just for the sake of whining. | |
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| Re: He could be right Arnold is already independently wealthy. He did not take this job to enrich himself as most other politicians do. That does not mean he is not vulnerable to listening to the wrong people when it comes to broadband or anything else. In this case however I think he is proceeding correctly. | |
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| You do realize that most politicians are also idependently wealthy right? Doesn't stop any of them from being bought, so I doubt Arnold is any different. In fact, him being a Republican, the benefit of the doubt must be waived.
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| Re: He could be right said by ieolus : In fact, him being a Republican, the benefit of the doubt must be waived. Too bad this wasn't the first line of your post. I could have simply not bothered to read the rest. | |
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Duluth, GA | Re: He could be right No worries. Remember, in PA a vote for Rick Santorum's opponent in the next election is a vote for polygamy and beastiality! And watch out for the Eye of Mordor...
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Elko, NV | Re: He could be right Come on, give me a break. I wish that BBR could be non political and just stick to tech issues. This constant left wing drum beat in this forum is getting tiresome. | |
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| Re: He could be right You have got to be joking. Constant left wing drum beat on BBR? LOL
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your point of view, the act of deploying broadband to the masses is a political issue.
Read the OP again...
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After telcos spent nearly $20 million in three months on lobbying state lawmakers, the state passed a statewide video franchise system the telcos believe will expedite next-gen network deployment.
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| Re: He could be right said by ieolus :You have got to be joking. Constant left wing drum beat on BBR? LOL Where have you been surfing???
DSLR ***NOT*** leaning left???
YOU have got to be kidding. Most of the Internet leans (far) left and DSLR's is no exception.
I would have to agree that the Guvernator is not out to score like most politicians... and he is WAY MORE wealthy than you average pol to begin with. He has done a good job here in leftyland... not perfect but I will certainly give him my vote again.
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| Re: He could be right said by veloslave :YOU have got to be kidding. Most of the Internet leans (far) left and DSLR's is no exception. I would have to agree that the Guvernator is not out to score like most politicians... and he is WAY MORE wealthy than you average pol to begin with. He has done a good job here in leftyland... not perfect but I will certainly give him my vote again. Amazing. Perhaps you're confusing some independent and libertarian and Democratic blogs and websites as "Most of the Internet" while leaving out all the corporate media and news sites (at least in the USA) which tend to just repeat right PR statements or swing even further. No matter, at least these "left leaner's" get a chance to express their opinions on the Internet unlike the corporate controlled "content" feed to the masses...
I find these comments interesting that Arnold obviously isn't out to score any political points.... I guess that's because he has an "(R)" behind his name. I note that when a certain other person named "Hillary Clinton" with the "(D)" after her name also proposes broadband inititaves that of course that it's all just politically grandstanding and showboating.... at least according to the people who only vote by looking to see who has the "(R)" anyway.
Yeah. Sure. Uh huh.
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| Re: He could be right Hillary Clinton is a hard core Liberal. Nobody on the right is going to like anything that she proposes, even when it is a "Good Thing".
The media of this country, and the entertainment industry as well, has a very definite leftward slant. If you can't see it, you are probably too close to it.
Most times the moderators of the technical BBR forums try to keep politics out of the discussions. That is harder to do when discussing policies instead of technical problems.
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| Re: He could be right said by NormanS :The media of this country, and the entertainment industry as well, has a very definite leftward slant. Well, if you expand media to Hollywood, yes, there are a lot of liberal ideas often expressed in entertainment. However, these days, when it comes to the news outlets, I would have to say I disagree that there is any left "bias". I see administration and corporate PR just parroted as if it was fact, with lots of glitz and flash and little substance or investigative reporting. I guess the "News" has moved from "Informative" over to "Entertainment" as well.... You'll see a rush to cover the latest sex scandal or cover-up of a dirty secret and they turn a blind eye to things like fraud, waste, technology beneficial to all mankind, etc. I guess those headlines aren't "sexy" enough.
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| Re: He could be right Al Franken did a great job covering this issue in Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell them. The media has a sensationalism bias. CNN is definitely not "progressive" in any means of the word, they are just ridiculous (which to some may be the same thing.) | |
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| Just what is so "right-wing" about news articles blasting Bush, and editorials promoting Phil Angelides for Governor, and Jerry Brown for Attorney General?
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| Re: He could be right said by NormanS :Just what is so "right-wing" about news articles blasting Bush, and editorials promoting Phil Angelides for Governor, and Jerry Brown for Attorney General? Anecdotal. Also, if an article is promoting a candidate, it's not a news article, it's an op/ed peice.
IMO any news agency will always be critical of the current administration and everything it does.
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| Re: He could be right said by Maxo :Anecdotal. Also, if an article is promoting a candidate, it's not a news article, it's an op/ed peice. IMO any news agency will always be critical of the current administration and everything it does. An article about the president is not the same as an op-ed piece promoting a politician. But a newspaper which is always promoting the left in the op-ed pieces is hardly a right-wing rag.
Newspapers tend to publish articles which support their left-wing agenda, and omit articles which don't. When they covered the murder of a trans-gendered young man in my area, they always referred to him as "her", despite the biological facts of the case, and they always cast the perpetrators as "homophobes", despite a lack of evidence to support that as a fact.
They covered the matter of a valedictorian speaker having the microphone pulled on her speech, but omitted the fact that the audience demanded that the school administration restore the microphone connection. The speaker's words were squelched by the administration because they didn't approve of her use of religious content in her speech; despite the fact that it was a graduation ceremony, not a class.
I could go on...
I don't trust the media. Even on non-divisive matters they get their facts wrong. Reporting a 120,000 gallon pesticide spill on the upper reaches of the Sacramento river, near the town of Dunsmuir. The car couldn't have held more than 30,000 gallons, or so. The capacity was probably about 120,000lbs GVW, not 120,000 gallons. The caption under a photo of an action in Israel, on the Lebanese border (more than ten years ago) identified an Israeli "tank" firing into Lebanon: It was a 155mm SP Howitzer. The caption under a photo identified a Salvation Army officer with some donated toys at Christmas (more than ten years ago): It was a U.S. Marine Corps NCO.
Did I say that I don't trust the media? They are short on factual accuracy, and long on political spin to the left.
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| Re: He could be right I don't trust the media either. As a person who sits on the far left, I also don't find them in line with my political beliefs. So to say they are left (which I also happen to be) is not true. The news media is silly, sloppy, and unprofessional, but it is not left. | |
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| Re: He could be right Again, the media is not "left" or "right", it is pro-corporate, pro-consumption, pro-violence (if it gets ratings), and pro speculation. The entire "bias" debate is so myopic, tired and un-genuine at this point it makes my head hurt.
Both sides think the media espouses the views of the "other" side because they are being played against eachother to distract from the real issues they might otherwise agree upon. | |
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| Re: He could be right said by Karl Bode :Again, the media is not "left" or "right", it is pro-corporate, pro-consumption, pro-violence (if it gets ratings), and pro speculation. The entire "bias" debate is so myopic, tired and un-genuine at this point it makes my head hurt. Both sides think the media espouses the views of the "other" side because they are being played against eachother to distract from the real issues they might otherwise agree upon. I think that the media is made up of individuals with their own particular views. I think a corporation, any corporation, promotes a particular culture based on the views of said employees at least in some small part. As such, I do not calling the media "pro" anything can be sweepingly true. Particularly parts of the media lean and swing certain ways. The entire media is not biased one way or the other but in a spectrum of ways. Certain media outlets do indeed lean a certain way, just as certain corporations and groups of individuals lean certain ways. Those ways are often not as simple as "left" or "right," true, but I do not think they can be called decidedly "pro" or "anti" anything as a whole. | |
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| Re: He could be right Lets focus solely on cable-news then. You would disagree that the massive cable networks as a whole do not primarily espouse views that are primarily pro-corporation? The ever present fear of alienating advertisers has long made this a rather dysfunctional model. | |
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| Re: He could be right said by Karl Bode :Lets focus solely on cable-news then. You would disagree that the massive cable networks as a whole do not primarily espouse views that are primarily pro-corporation? The ever present fear of alienating advertisers has long made this a rather dysfunctional model. Cable news has particular corporate biases to the particular corporations that fund them and even that is not always the case. There are instances weekly in which any particular cable news networks will go undermine some particular corporation or another. Now, yes, there are elses instances of the converse, when a news network bloats a corporation's profile it is somehow affiliated (or in some cases not affiliated). In most cases, this can be chocked up to the same thing that causes most of the world's problems: human incompetence. However, there indeed some instances of genuine corporate suppression of stories (though generally those stories are picked up by a rival network, i.e. a rival corporation, or the somewhat more diligent print media).
I will not defend network news as fantastic or even worth ingesting. However, I think the problem is far more particular and deep than an overall "corporate bias." There are multi-functional biases and multi-faceted instances of human inability that create the overall "bad vibe" generated by cable news. | |
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I think the problem is far more particular and deep than an overall "corporate bias." There are multi-functional biases and multi-faceted instances of human inability that create the overall "bad vibe" generated by cable news.
I'll agree with that, but corporate advertised income model is a major problem for an objective media, and it's a fight that guys like Edward Murrows lost decades ago. The issue does go deeper than simply corporate bias. There's an entire consumerism paradigm that modern media fails to challenge.
And there's nationalism. How long did it take for news outlets during the Iraq war to stop cheerleading and stop reporting? And why is this nation at war, yet we see absolutely no bloody images? | |
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| said by john262 :Come on, give me a break. I wish that BBR could be non political and just stick to tech issues. This constant left wing drum beat in this forum is getting tiresome. Joseph Goebbels said "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." It seems common practice these days for right to constantly attack everything as "left-wing" in order to cover up the fact that really there's mostly far right spin on everything. Luckily most postings on BBR news seem pretty fair and balanced; but the replies, oh man. They jam the rudder at hard-to-starboard and increase speed to flank.
No wonder it just goes around in circles.
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| said by operagost :said by ieolus : In fact, him being a Republican, the benefit of the doubt must be waived. Too bad this wasn't the first line of your post. I could have simply not bothered to read the rest. +1 | |
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| I waive the benefit of the doubt for rich Democrats, too.
Wealth is wealth, Democrat, or Republican.
Bill Clinton always reminded me of the typical TV preacher, and I would trust him about as much.
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| said by raye :Arnold is already independently wealthy. He did not take this job to enrich himself as most other politicians do. That does not mean he is not vulnerable to listening to the wrong people when it comes to broadband or anything else. In this case however I think he is proceeding correctly. Most politicians are already wealthy. I don't see your point. Politicians are swayed by money, not straight-up "bought" by it. When politicians do take money, it is usually related in some way to an increase in power or influence (more valuable than dollars). | |
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| Re: He could be right There is wealthy and then there is WEALTHY. Schwarzenegger is WEALTHY and famous outside of politics.
It's nice to have someone who doesn't need the job or owe his job to special interests. I think it gives him more discretion to not rely upon special interests the way that many career politicians have to. It's up to him to serve the people of California well. | |
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| Re: He could be right said by SD6 :There is wealthy and then there is WEALTHY. Schwarzenegger is WEALTHY and famous outside of politics. It's nice to have someone who doesn't need the job or owe his job to special interests. I think it gives him more discretion to not rely upon special interests the way that many career politicians have to. It's up to him to serve the people of California well. Politicians serve "special interests" because, often times, it is those "special interests" who have made a state wealthy and populous. Certainly, as the "special interests" become less special, they lose their political power. You're point still doesn't hit home. If the truly wealthy control this country and as follows, its politicians, it is because the truly wealthy employ this country. | |
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| said by SD6 :There is wealthy and then there is WEALTHY. Schwarzenegger is WEALTHY and famous outside of politics. It's nice to have someone who doesn't need the job or owe his job to special interests. I think it gives him more discretion to not rely upon special interests the way that many career politicians have to. It's up to him to serve the people of California well. You must not follow Kalifornia politics very closely.
He has raised more special interest money than Grey Davis ever did.
By far!
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| Re: He could be right I don't follow CA politics closely. But I didn't say he didn't raise a lot of special interest money; I said he didn't owe his job to special interests. He went into office owing a heck of a lot less favors than most politicians - it's up to him whether he allows himself to be bought. | |
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| I don't know if I'm missing it but. Is Arnold the only governor that speaks of broadband? Is he the only one that isn't saying the same thing as the rest. Healthcare and taxes. Here in Illinois I don't think I've heard anything about broadband from our governor. All I hear now cause of elections is smear campaigns and I'll work to keep taxes low and fight for better healthcare. Well that's good but I think they all say that now can we have someone like Arnold to be the Governor in Illinois. OK I'll shut up and let someone else say something. | |
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1 edit | Re: He could be right You know I think you are right. He is the only governor to speak about the broadband issue. Here in Oregon, neither candidate even mentioned broadband. It is all about the illegal aliens, taxes, and schools here. Which don't get me wrong are important issues but there is more than just those. | |
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| Re: He could be right Some politicians talk about broadband policy, but very few actually do something. There is actually some meat-and-potatoes issues at least indicated to be addressed by this Order - streamlining ROW permitting, etc. Government policy making is a complicated thing though, and it remains to be seen how well/fast the policy will be executed. | |
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