john262
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Re: He could be right
Come on, give me a break. I wish that BBR could be non political and just stick to tech issues. This constant left wing drum beat in this forum is getting tiresome. |
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broadbander
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said by SD6  :There is wealthy and then there is WEALTHY. Schwarzenegger is WEALTHY and famous outside of politics. It's nice to have someone who doesn't need the job or owe his job to special interests. I think it gives him more discretion to not rely upon special interests the way that many career politicians have to. It's up to him to serve the people of California well. Politicians serve "special interests" because, often times, it is those "special interests" who have made a state wealthy and populous. Certainly, as the "special interests" become less special, they lose their political power. You're point still doesn't hit home. If the truly wealthy control this country and as follows, its politicians, it is because the truly wealthy employ this country. |
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ieolus
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You have got to be joking. Constant left wing drum beat on BBR? LOL
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your point of view, the act of deploying broadband to the masses is a political issue.
Read the OP again...
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After telcos spent nearly $20 million in three months on lobbying state lawmakers, the state passed a statewide video franchise system the telcos believe will expedite next-gen network deployment.
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elsupremo
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said by operagost :said by ieolus : In fact, him being a Republican, the benefit of the doubt must be waived. Too bad this wasn't the first line of your post. I could have simply not bothered to read the rest. +1 |
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Netbum
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said by SD6 :There is wealthy and then there is WEALTHY. Schwarzenegger is WEALTHY and famous outside of politics. It's nice to have someone who doesn't need the job or owe his job to special interests. I think it gives him more discretion to not rely upon special interests the way that many career politicians have to. It's up to him to serve the people of California well. You must not follow Kalifornia politics very closely.
He has raised more special interest money than Grey Davis ever did.
By far!
Anyone can be bought. 
But I hope something good comes from this. |
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said by ieolus :You have got to be joking. Constant left wing drum beat on BBR? LOL Where have you been surfing???
DSLR ***NOT*** leaning left???
YOU have got to be kidding. Most of the Internet leans (far) left and DSLR's is no exception.
I would have to agree that the Guvernator is not out to score like most politicians... and he is WAY MORE wealthy than you average pol to begin with. He has done a good job here in leftyland... not perfect but I will certainly give him my vote again.
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I agree. I hate how everything someone does near election time is touted by the other side as being nothing more than election time politics. If you can show a clear correlation of awkward timing then the accusation can be made. If not then don't make stuff up just for the sake of whining. |
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said by No Limit :Unfortunately he all but won the re-election because Angelides is such a poor and weak choice for the Democrats. Nah, Angelides isn't just such a poor choice, He looks like It too, That tight collar of His make His head look like an eraser on a pencil. I voted for the other guy, No not Hermann Munster. 
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SD6
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I don't follow CA politics closely. But I didn't say he didn't raise a lot of special interest money; I said he didn't owe his job to special interests. He went into office owing a heck of a lot less favors than most politicians - it's up to him whether he allows himself to be bought. |
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NormanS
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I waive the benefit of the doubt for rich Democrats, too.
Wealth is wealth, Democrat, or Republican.
Bill Clinton always reminded me of the typical TV preacher, and I would trust him about as much.
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said by john262 :Come on, give me a break. I wish that BBR could be non political and just stick to tech issues. This constant left wing drum beat in this forum is getting tiresome. Joseph Goebbels said "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." It seems common practice these days for right to constantly attack everything as "left-wing" in order to cover up the fact that really there's mostly far right spin on everything. Luckily most postings on BBR news seem pretty fair and balanced; but the replies, oh man. They jam the rudder at hard-to-starboard and increase speed to flank.
No wonder it just goes around in circles.
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said by veloslave :YOU have got to be kidding. Most of the Internet leans (far) left and DSLR's is no exception. I would have to agree that the Guvernator is not out to score like most politicians... and he is WAY MORE wealthy than you average pol to begin with. He has done a good job here in leftyland... not perfect but I will certainly give him my vote again. Amazing. Perhaps you're confusing some independent and libertarian and Democratic blogs and websites as "Most of the Internet" while leaving out all the corporate media and news sites (at least in the USA) which tend to just repeat right PR statements or swing even further. No matter, at least these "left leaner's" get a chance to express their opinions on the Internet unlike the corporate controlled "content" feed to the masses...
I find these comments interesting that Arnold obviously isn't out to score any political points.... I guess that's because he has an "(R)" behind his name. I note that when a certain other person named "Hillary Clinton" with the "(D)" after her name also proposes broadband inititaves that of course that it's all just politically grandstanding and showboating.... at least according to the people who only vote by looking to see who has the "(R)" anyway.
Yeah. Sure. Uh huh.
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NormanS
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| Hillary Clinton is a hard core Liberal. Nobody on the right is going to like anything that she proposes, even when it is a "Good Thing".
The media of this country, and the entertainment industry as well, has a very definite leftward slant. If you can't see it, you are probably too close to it.
Most times the moderators of the technical BBR forums try to keep politics out of the discussions. That is harder to do when discussing policies instead of technical problems.
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broadbander
join:2005-07-21
Brooklyn, NY
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said by KrK :said by john262 :Come on, give me a break. I wish that BBR could be non political and just stick to tech issues. This constant left wing drum beat in this forum is getting tiresome. Joseph Goebbels said "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." It seems common practice these days for right to constantly attack everything as "left-wing" in order to cover up the fact that really there's mostly far right spin on everything. Luckily most postings on BBR news seem pretty fair and balanced; but the replies, oh man. They jam the rudder at hard-to-starboard and increase speed to flank. No wonder it just goes around in circles. Explain to me how CNN is "far right." |
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KrK
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said by NormanS :The media of this country, and the entertainment industry as well, has a very definite leftward slant. Well, if you expand media to Hollywood, yes, there are a lot of liberal ideas often expressed in entertainment. However, these days, when it comes to the news outlets, I would have to say I disagree that there is any left "bias". I see administration and corporate PR just parroted as if it was fact, with lots of glitz and flash and little substance or investigative reporting. I guess the "News" has moved from "Informative" over to "Entertainment" as well.... You'll see a rush to cover the latest sex scandal or cover-up of a dirty secret and they turn a blind eye to things like fraud, waste, technology beneficial to all mankind, etc. I guess those headlines aren't "sexy" enough.
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said by broadbander :Explain to me how CNN is "far right." Spin. Far-right spin. How does a network like CNN contribute to this? Easy. The Administration issues a statement. CNN repeats it back as fact. End of story. No digging into it, no verification, just parrots it back as news. Since the Administration was spinning it in the first place you basically have CNN reporting the spin as fact.
You see examples of this type of "News Reporting" all the time. Corporation XYZ announces a new factory in China, while closing factories here. Corporation XYZ says issues a statement saying they must do this to remain competitive, and the Talking Head just parrots it back as if it was fact. There's not even really any attempt to dig into such statements to find the truth. It's just blindly reported as fact.
When AOL bought Time-Warner CNN went downhill fast.
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Al Franken did a great job covering this issue in Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell them. The media has a sensationalism bias. CNN is definitely not "progressive" in any means of the word, they are just ridiculous (which to some may be the same thing.) |
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broadbander
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Brooklyn, NY
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said by KrK :said by broadbander :Explain to me how CNN is "far right." Spin. Far-right spin. How does a network like CNN contribute to this? Easy. The Administration issues a statement. CNN repeats it back as fact. End of story. No digging into it, no verification, just parrots it back as news. Since the Administration was spinning it in the first place you basically have CNN reporting the spin as fact. You see examples of this type of "News Reporting" all the time. Corporation XYZ announces a new factory in China, while closing factories here. Corporation XYZ says issues a statement saying they must do this to remain competitive, and the Talking Head just parrots it back as if it was fact. There's not even really any attempt to dig into such statements to find the truth. It's just blindly reported as fact. When AOL bought Time-Warner CNN went downhill fast. I believed the same thing in college. I now feel that the parroting of press releases is not as important as it used to be for "right" spin. For example, if a liberal administration is in power, doesn't the media simply parrot them? Or are we proposing that liberal administrations in America aren't really liberal (i.e. not communist).
No one reasonable wants a far-leftist any more than the want a fascist. So those kind of extremes are typically shunned by the media (though they are relatively embraced in corporate faces, Fox on the fascist side, CNN on the communist side).
I truly think that the commentators and the kind of shows a network presents go further to determining political edge than the press releases that get by. CNN reports plenty of stories that contradict the current administration, and indeed seem to lust over dubious polls and numbers that directly contradict our own reports in Iraq.
I don't think that CNN went downhill when they were bought out. Perhaps they've added some more filters to the bias, though certainly not in the coverage I've seen. |
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So those kind of extremes are typically shunned by the media (though they are relatively embraced in corporate faces, Fox on the fascist side, CNN on the communist side).
I don't believe this is accurate. I don't see political reality as a sliding scale with extremes at each end and the media accurately portraying information from the middle. I believe this is largely an illusion gestated to foster divisions in the populace.
I see Ann Coulter on every channel on my television set. I rarely see intelligent progressive opinion. I occasionally see Democrat positions, but these two are not the same. At least not anymore. When I see Democrats talk, they're generally pandering to social moderates, and only recently decided they don't like war (as the polls switched).
The mainstream media by and large shuns humanist or progressive viewpoints, because they frequently focus on the idiocy of rabid consumerism, the futility and idiocy of un-necessary war, and other concepts.
In fact, humanism positions, which by and large the public supports, are not espoused on cable network news because they run contrary to the concept of trying to sell people vehicles and hemorrhoidal creams.
As Chomsky notes, it is true that both parties and the corporate controlled media are further right of where the general public stands (humanist). There's simply plenty of noise, lying, and propaganda that makes things appear otherwise. |
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| Karl Bode , that's the way I see it. Actually, on TV I don't see any intelligent left or right discussion. The only place I can find anything close to this is on NPR. Why NPR can find intelligent liberals and conservative and nobody else is beyond me. |
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