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Re: Montgomery County MD Public Hearing

* shreds her prepared testimony and tosses it into the air like confetti *

I was going to give the same testimony I gave at the exec's hearing. I figured: why not? When I prepared it, I thought the hearing was before the council, or maybe just the MFP.

But.....

AT THIS VERY MOMENT Verizon is hanging fiber optic cable on the poles in RANDOLPH HILLS of all places. Yep that's right - Verizon is preparing to light MONTROSE.

Kinda blows the whole premise of my topic.

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Maybe the listened to your testimony and responded? When JT talks Verizon listens!

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OMG, I hope you're right, PaulGo See Profile!

I chatted with a few of the workers today (thankfully the manager gave me his card), and found out my street isn't on their map.

Hey Verizon!
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
CAN YOU HEAR ME FROM HERE, IN THE NO OUTLET?



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JT, Did you see the following passage? Can you explain in plain English how/whether it applies to you?
3.1.2. Middle Service Area: In the Middle Service Area, the Franchisee shall offer Cable Service to significant numbers of Subscribers in residential areas within three (3) years of the Effective Date of this Franchise, and to all residences within the Middle Service Area at which such service is requested within five (5) years of the Effective Date of the Franchise, except as specified in Section 3.2. If Franchisee is unable to reach agreement with the City of Rockville to obtain construction permits for the FTTP network under reasonable terms and conditions, as determined by Franchisee, by December 31, 2007, these timeframes shall not apply to Franchisee's provision of Cable Service to residences served by Franchisee's - Rockville and Montrose wire centers. Instead, Franchisee shall offer Cable Service to all residences served by the Rockville and Montrose wire centers at which such service is requested within four (4) years of obtaining construction permits for the FTTP network from the City of Rockville, except as specified in Section 3.2.

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Re: Montgomery County MD Public Hearing

My take on 3.1.2 is:

Many residents in the MSA must be served within 3 years, most within 5 years from the date of the agreement. But if Rockville won't grant reasonably priced permits by the end of next year, then anyone served by the Rockville or Montrose Road office will be served within 4 years from the date Rockville grants the permits instead of 3-5 years from the agreement date.

Of course, there's always section 3.2.

Judging by the activity I saw today though, I think Rockville might have already granted the permits.


Can/would Verizon light part of a CO?
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Re: Montgomery County MD Public Hearing

said by JTRockville See Profile :

Judging by the activity I saw today though, I think Rockville might have already granted the permits.
I doubt it.

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Can/would Verizon light part of a CO?
They can. They have a county franchise to give you TV. My guess is that they will wire right up to the city limits and stop, and put Rockville on the spot. It's very easy to stop the fiber at the city line. All they have to do is maintain the copper, which they'll be doing for the next ten years anyway.

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Re: Montgomery County MD Public Hearing

Well... they don't have the franchise yet, but they will soon. I hope you're right about the city limits.
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Did you attended on the hearing? Could you post short notes?

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Yes I attended and testified.

Only 10 people testified:
1) Jane Lawton representing the County Executive
Gave similar testimony as when testifying before the Exec
2) City Councilmember Susan Hoffman representing the City of Rockville
Gave similar testimony as when testifying before the Exec
3) Suzanne Weiss representing the Cable and Communications Advisory Committee (yes, the old name was on the agenda)
Testimony was largely regarding PEG issues.
4) Briana Gowing representing Verizon
Got cheers when she said MASN would be delivered without the $2 surcharge.
5) Michael Egan, individual
Asked for more consumer protections, but as Praisner pointed out afterwards, his suggestions are not legal
6) Richard Turner representing Montgomery Community Television
Testified to issues regarding free service at public buildings, and some other PEG-related issues
7) David Friedman, individual
Pointed out that Comcast supplies free service to 700 places, but Verizon is only required to serve 100.
8) Angela Lee representing Comcast.
Noted the differences between Comcast's requirements and Verizon's requirements (neglected to note that Verizon will pay 3% PEG/INet fee but Comcast is quite a bit shy of that)
9) Robert Carlisle, individual
Former Corning employee, is delighted to see the new network - the sooner the better.
10) Jaime Todaro, individual
Basically just said: Hurry Up Already!

In follow-up questions, Praisner asked Lawton to point out the changes the exec made in response to public testimony by the 13th, and she jokingly suggested that Rockville should de-annex if they want all their footprint covered in 2 years. She also suggested that Egan pursue a Cable Compliance Commission claim.

In response to Andrews' question regarding what could be done to speed things up, Gowing noted that the service dates VZ was willing to commit to in the agreement were the "outside" dates and service would likely be ready sooner in most cases.

Leventhal pointed out that we're just as likely to have uniformly high prices and uniformly bad service, and asked Verizon if there was any chance he was wrong. Gowing's answer was pretty weak, and Lawton added that other jurisdictions with agreements in place have not noticed better customer service.

In closing, Praisner pointed out that many folks on the I-270 "technology corridor" (a reference to Carlisle's testimony) would not see service for 7 years if ever, and assured everyone that this matter, as well as the inequitable number of free service locations would be looked in to.

After the hearing, I spoke to Doug Breisch (sp?) of Rockville DTS, who seemed stunned that Verizon was preparing to light Montrose Road, and asked me for specific streets where deployment is happening. I assured him it was all outside the city limits.
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said by JTRockville See Profile :

After the hearing, I spoke to Doug Breisch (sp?) of Rockville DTS, who seemed stunned that Verizon was preparing to light Montrose Road
Stunned is a proper reaction to finding out that they can and will be passed. Message being sent ..... properly received.

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Message being sent ..... properly received.
Was I the unwitting messenger?
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It will be interesting to see if MC is boneheaded enough to try and make changes to a court ordered mediated document. If they do, VZ will just go back to the court, the court will thrown the book so to speak at MC for being such nitwits.

Oh and to compare Comcasts goodies, that were extracted with the promise of a monopoly to what the court approved mediated contract has is just plain stupid .. I'm soooo glad I don't live in MC!

VZ was 100% right in the path they have chosen, and for good reason, MC is showing its colors ... it would appear they still don't get it, but I guess coming from people that wanted to overrule Federal Telcom laws, there is no surprise ...

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As long as the changes are not unreasonable I think Verizon will go along with the fine tuning. At this point Verizon will loose too much money if it has to go into litigation and face delays. There are legitimate concerns that need to be addressed by Montgomery County.
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said by JTRockville See Profile :

Was I the unwitting messenger?
For Doug Breisch, apparently you were. Did you enjoy it?

What you said was Verizon is going to do yours, whether they have to stop at the city or not. Puts them on about a 6 month time frame, to move or get left behind.

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said by JTRockville See Profile :

Was I the unwitting messenger?
For Doug Breisch, apparently you were. Did you enjoy it?
Thoroughly. I'm still grinning.

* peeks out the window but doesn't see any Verizon trucks on Troy yet *
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And all this time I thought you were prepairing to use tin cans and string...

Hmmmm.... perhaps they are just going to install the fiber and only permit phone service and no I-net or TV
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Noooooooooooo tin cans and string for ME BarneyBadAss See Profile!

The Verizon work crew said we'd have FiOS internet by January, or maybe in December.
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The Verizon work crew said we'd have FiOS internet by January, or maybe in December.
Seems rather fast to me, unless it's part of the send-a-message strategy.

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Re: Montgomery County MD Public Hearing

I thought so too. Montrose Road CO has a huge footprint. But I wasn't going to argue with the crew - particularly since they're moving through Randolph Hills really quickly.

btw - Two different crews gave the same projected dates.

As long as it's available by Feb/March, it won't throw a monkey-wrench into my T-1 contract.
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Re: Montgomery County MD Public Hearing

said by JTRockville See Profile :

btw - Two different crews gave the same projected dates.
It is possible, but you want to see them on your street very soon.

You can send your first email over fiber to Doug, and tell him of your good fortune, of having your issue, raised at the hearing, solved so quickly.

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What a grand idea! I'm sure he'll be happy for me.
* giggles *
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said by JTRockville See Profile :

Noooooooooooo tin cans and string for ME BarneyBadAss See Profile!

The Verizon work crew said we'd have FiOS internet by January, or maybe in December.
Um... er.. uh... I'm presuming you are refereing to Jan 07 & Dec 07 respectively?
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said by JTRockville See Profile :

Noooooooooooo tin cans and string for ME BarneyBadAss See Profile!

The Verizon work crew said we'd have FiOS internet by January, or maybe in December.
Um... er.. uh... I'm presuming you are refereing to Jan 07 & Dec 07 respectively?
FiOS internet might be available to me as early as Dec 2006 BarneyBadAss See Profile! Can you believe it!?!? I'm starting to get excited. The crew has made it to the southern corner of Troy and Schuylkill (Troy crosses Schuylkill twice), but they haven't started down Troy yet.
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Re: Montgomery County MD Public Hearing

JT,

Good deal... glad to hear it... and I'm even happier it's not Dec 07 we're talking about!!

Now if we can only ge the TV stuff in place and working;

I'm so fed up with my 50" plasma always just pixilating... and no amount of complaining seems to be able to get it completely resolved....

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I hate to say it BarneyBadAss See Profile, but I don't share your excitement about video. It would probably take me a few days to even notice if my service was disconnected. But I don't get any pixelation on my teeny-tiny 80's era tv sets, or on my computer monitors, with DirecTV.

Still, even though I'm perfectly happy with DirecTV, I'll probably switch to Verizon so I can get our PEGs.

DufiefDataCouncil

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Are the unincorporated areas of the county likely to be wired before the incorporated areas? That would be welcome news for people in North Potomac/Dufief!

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Re: Montgomery County MD Public Hearing

We tried speculating a while back (when the initial service area was being built) about what the criteria might be for areas likely to be served first. We concluded that there were so many variables, you couldn't pin it on any one thing, like incorporated vs unincorporated.

Have you seen the service area map? That might help you get a sense of when you'll get lit.
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JT, Thanks for update!

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said by JohnA See Profile :

said by JTRockville See Profile :

Judging by the activity I saw today though, I think Rockville might have already granted the permits.
I doubt it.
You are correct JohnA See Profile, no agreement for construction permits yet. And no backing down from Rockville's demands either. The same City Councilmember from Rockville who testified at the Executive's hearing also testified today, and reissued the same demands.

Did anyone watch?
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