Drunkula
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Re: Linux alternatives for web design
I use Dreamweaver here at work but I do 99% of my work in code view, not design view. I don't like what it does with code working in design view!
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Maxo
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said by yock  :said by JordanN :I think you will find that most hard-core Linux users prefer to hand-code their websites. I think one has nothing to do with the other, quite frankly. HTML has nothing to do with Linux, but Linux users tend to be the kind that like to do stuff manually and edit cryptic looking code. I'd imagine if you did a survey you'd find most Linux users that code in HTML prefer to do it by hand vs. using a WYSIWYG editor.
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computx
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said by yock :And I've yet to find an IDE that creates code that will pass W3C validation. I usually check the stuff I make in NVU with the W3C Validator. Usually it requires zero to very little fixing to make it w3c compliant and usually it's because I didn't start out with the correct Doctype.
NVU seems to do a much better job at this than when it was mozilla composer. So if you havent tried it in a long time give it a shot.
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said by yock :said by JordanN :I think you will find that most hard-core Linux users prefer to hand-code their websites. I think one has nothing to do with the other, quite frankly. If someone wants assistance with web design in the form of an IDE, more power to them. So long as they understand the limitations. I agree. I would think HTML & Linux are pretty much independent of each other. As for myself I started HTML soon after the start of the internet when I was teaching HTML classes for GeoCities until they merged with Yahoo, then I was doing it for Yahoo, which goes back at least twice as far from when I took up Linux.
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yock
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said by JordanN :I think you will find that most hard-core Linux users prefer to hand-code their websites. I think one has nothing to do with the other, quite frankly. If someone wants assistance with web design in the form of an IDE, more power to them. So long as they understand the limitations.
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JordanN
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Fort Wayne, IN | reply to Maxo
I think you will find that most hard-core Linux users prefer to hand-code their websites. |
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Maxo
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I'm pretty sure FrontPage runs well under Wine. 
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Justakiwi
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said by Xootneg :said by Justakiwi :I'm currently studying towards a Diploma in IT and as part of my course I'm doing a web design module. I was just wondering, merely out of curiosity, do they teach you how to hand code in html first before you get turned loosed on software generated code? I am probably showing my ignorance, but I have never learned any of the html software programs or the wysiwyg thing-a-ma-jigs.. About five years ago I taught myself (very) basic HTML and made my own family oriented website. I used a text editor and coded by hand. It was only a couple of pages with a few images and links to other places, but it did give me an idea of what is happening "behind the scenes" on a webpage. I haven't touched that website since and until I started this course I'd done nothing more with HTML.
We spent the first two or three weeks of this course hand coding very basic pages, using images, links etc. Last week we took a brief look at Dreamweaver and had a bit of a play with it - mostly just finding our way around and seeing what it can do. We pretty much only scratched the surface of that.
From here on I think we will be using Dreamweaver for the rest of the course. I have to admit that having hand coded my own little site way back then, this does kind of feel like "cheating". I'm guessing there are still plenty of people who, like you, have never wanted or needed to use a package, and I don't see anything wrong with hand coding whatsoever. I guess if nothing else, the WYSIWYG packages, must make it a great deal quicker - which is no doubt why people use them.
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yock
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said by drjim :Seems like whenever I try to use one of the tools or developer environments, my pages don't look as nice! And I've yet to find an IDE that creates code that will pass W3C validation.
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drjim
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I'm not much of a web designer, but I almost prefer to just do it with a text editor. It forces me to be more careful and follow all the rules for syntax and other things. Seems like whenever I try to use one of the tools or developer environments, my pages don't look as nice!
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yock
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said by JohnInSJ :Yeah I was gonna suggest "vi", but then that's so last century. I've tried using various DEs with varying degrees of success. Now I use vim, simply because it stays out of my way.
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JohnInSJ
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San Jose, CA | reply to Xootneg
Yeah I was gonna suggest "vi", but then that's so last century.
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Xootneg
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said by Justakiwi :I'm currently studying towards a Diploma in IT and as part of my course I'm doing a web design module. I was just wondering, merely out of curiosity, do they teach you how to hand code in html first before you get turned loosed on software generated code?
I am probably showing my ignorance, but I have never learned any of the html software programs or the wysiwyg thing-a-ma-jigs..
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Justakiwi
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said by sremick :More hardcore is Amaya... the interface isn't great, but it supports more features/standards than Nvu and it's from the W3C themselves: » www.w3.org/Amaya/ Downloading it now. I like the look of this - thanks! 
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Justakiwi
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Thanks for that! Checking it out now.
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sremick
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Nvu is good but it is still stuck at version 1.0. The (sole) developer is focusing on a re-write that will become "Composer 2" and bring the app back up to sync with the latest Mozilla engine. In the meantime, there's an unofficial bugfix for Nvu called "Kompozer" you might be interested in:
»kompozer.net/
More hardcore is Amaya... the interface isn't great, but it supports more features/standards than Nvu and it's from the W3C themselves:
»www.w3.org/Amaya/ |
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drjim
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If you just want to do simple webpages, Bluefish works quite well.
»bluefish.openoffice.nl/index.html
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Justakiwi
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said by yock :In what languages do you develop? PHP? Java? Ruby? Hee hee .... did you miss the bit that said BEGINNER?
Haven't got that far yet, but our tutor did mention PHP for later in the course. Having said that however, I am looking for something that will still meet my needs once I know what I've finished this course and maybe moved on to a higher level one(or two!).
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computx
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I use NVU for designing my webpages. I am not doing anything real complex with it. The latest versions of NVU certainly appear to have a lot more functionality but I don't use a 10th of those features. I can't compare it to dreamweaver as I never used it. I have heard of dreamweaver baing used on linux via wine so that may be something to try. |
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yock
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In what languages do you develop? PHP? Java? Ruby? |
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