morbo
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Re: Blackmail
yes, that's blackmail. |
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dogo88
join:2001-09-24
Old Bridge, NJ
| Wrong. It's called negotiating. If you want me to do something and I don't like the current status, I'll tell you what I want. If you don't want to do it, then get somebody else. Verizon does not have to offer fiber. Anybody else can come in and build their own network and sell access. |
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TKadlec
join:2000-04-25
Trenton, NJ
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Actually, it's not. Blackmail involves extorting money for the promise not to make injurious revelations or accusations. More like extortion, although that, too, is a stretch.
Like it or not, Verizon is entitled to decide where and where not to provide FIOS service. They decided to disclose the reasons for not deploying the service. NJ was free to decide whether or not to respond. Neither party is under any obligation to the other. |
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ieolus
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join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | Re: Blackmail --> Extortion
Fine, extortion it is. |
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dogo88
join:2001-09-24
Old Bridge, NJ
| Wrong again. Extortion implies you really don't have any other choice. Like you said
"Like it or not, Verizon is entitled to decide where and where not to provide FIOS service. They decided to disclose the reasons for not deploying the service. NJ was free to decide whether or not to respond. Neither party is under any obligation to the other."
They indicated what they wanted and the State responded. |
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morbo
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| it actually is more like blackmail than extortion or negotiating, so you were wrong to suggest that it wasn't.
Verizon/telco current positions are those of power. they are abusing it and this is yet another reason they should be stripped of owning the infrastructure. |
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pnh102
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| said by morbo  :Verizon/telco current positions are those of power. they are abusing it and this is yet another reason they should be stripped of owning the infrastructure. And then you don't get your FIOS.
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morbo
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hence, blackmail. |
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dogo88
join:2001-09-24
Old Bridge, NJ
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Exactly.
I continue to be amazed that there are folks here who continually equate big to terrible/overpriced/bad and small to good/friendly/good bargain.
Verizon has a product. You don't want to pay for it(or establish an environment where they want to participate), then go somewhere else. They built the infrastructure. And yeah, I know we gave it to them for free. (you can use that same argument for AIDS research and most every other large product). So, go out and build your own infrastructure, make sure it's good, available everywhere, cheaply priced and above all has excellent customer service. Otherwise we all here will complain about every thing we can find wrong about it.
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wifi4milez
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join:2004-08-07
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said by ieolus :Fine, extortion it is. Nope, its called a sound business model. Any company can come in and so the same thing. Unfortunately, all the CLEC's want to do is sit around and wait for the government to force Verizon to give them access. THAT is a terrible business model, and there is a reason why the 99% of the CLEC's went under.
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SD6
join:2005-03-26
| said by wifi4milez :Nope, its called a sound business model. Any company can come in and so the same thing. But not quite on the same basis. Read the law. There are special considerations given to ILECs. |
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