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Re: sure it is!
said by KrK  :Since the 2000 Presidential election this site has been full of all kinds of bile and sour grapes from leftwing liberal extremists who have been knashing their teeth and crying and whining and shaking their fists. Fixed it for you. Now that us so called right wingers can put the liberals on the defense the libbys suddenly dislike the taste of their own brand of medicine.
said by KrK : I really don't care. Rage, foam at the mouth, threaten doom and gloom... it doesn't change any of it one iota. Obviously you care. more than you're willing to admit. Gees I just started to examine the flesh wound and have not begun to pick at the scabs. 
said by KrK : That makes you sound demented, and while it may be actually 100% accurate of how you feel Demented? Hardly, it means I'll be watching every little thing they do under a microscope and hold their feet to the fire, when possible hold their feet in the fire. said by KrK :It's the Democrats after all who owe the Republicans Payback. Really give me an example, other than the Foley faggmo issue or, tom Delay or even the Abramhoff issue.
Just off hand I can think of Whitewater, the Monica lewinski affair's, along with the other sex scandals.The selling out, of Lincolns bedroom to foreigners for $$. Solicitation of campaign funds from the White house. Which is a violation of law and get this it was a law Al Gore co-wrote when he was a Senator.! Yet he lied and said he didn't know...typical liberalism at its finest.
said by KrK :Yes, the 2nd Ammendment spells out that we should have a well regulated militia. I'm not sure about how that figures into your idea of the big picture. I think it's quite telling that "Well Regulated Militia" (ie rules. Laws. Restrictions.) is the language specifically used in the 2nd Ammendment. What? You really have no clue as to this issue you are responding about. You should study The Bill Of Rights, actually our inalienable rights are granted by our Creator, not man.
BILL of RIGHTS AMENDMENT II
" A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" Its a RIGHT of the PEOPLE. NOT the governments right, NOT the States right. It's the Peoples right. Were you not brain washed by the subversive nature of liberalism and Democrats, you would understand this and that ALL Rights belong to the people, not what the liberals tell you to believe.
said by KrK : I mean I have a hard time figuring why you'd be supporting these guys who keep increasing Government size, scope, power, and undercutting and removing rights. And you called me demented? Oh boy. Lets see, the Patriot ACT I and II. The Homeland Security ACT, Democrats not only voted in favor of those bills into law, NONE bothered to read the language contained in the passage of them.
The NSA wiretapping, Democrats including their minority leaders and whips were fully briefed on it and went along with it. I guess we all can expect to see all that revoked and repealed along with the Democratic endorsement of P2P file sharing. Feel free to delude yourself into thinking that will happen, i have lovely beachfront property in Arizona to sell you I'll even sell it to you a little below market value to boot.!
Time for a major reality check.Its all the damn dirty Democrats,every time, who voted to restrict and limit Freedoms and liberties and Rights of the people, first chance they get, along with raising taxes.
Hollywood has long opposed Republicans and favored Democrats along with the music bizz. yet ironically it was a Democrat who created the PMRC to "protect the children" from trashy foul mouthed musicians. Yup it was Al Gore and his wife Tipper.
ALGORE held Congressional hearings on the subject. I guess he got pissed, because, IMO he felt they didn't contribute enough campaign funds.
The Democrats controlled the House and Senate for forty years prior to losing everything in 1994 due to gun control. Sure they say they are centrist now, wait til after 01/20/2007, their pinko communist socialist side will come out in a hurry, and by God , I hope it will be forty years before they ever see the House, Senate or White house again.
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| Wow. Nice tactic of "editing" posts btw, and then reversing reality. Sure. The Republicans aren't responsible for anything, even the things they pushed for, just because they tricked some Democrat congress critter into voting for it as well. Yeah. That lets them off the hook.
Your blind partisanship forces you to apologize (or make excuses?) for the Bush regime, to twist everything in your mind to some Democrats fault, or to harken back twenty years to Whitewater and blame Bill Clinton.
Even I know the Democrat party has a lot of flaws, but you insist the Republicans can do no wrong. Well, I'll leave you to your fantasy world. You remind me of the fanaticism of a suicide bomber. Dude, really. Take a deep breath. Calm down. You're so obviously uber-pissed off at the election results it's affecting your emotional state right now.
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said by NormanS :You have the second amendment backwards. It isn't restricted to members of the militia, it states that, in order to have a militia, there must be an armed populace. No armed citizens, no militia. It is as simple as that. Ok, I'm not meaning to qualify the second part with the first, or as you said, reverse it. I actually think overall we're in agreement there. I believe that is the intention of the Second Amendment, to prevent the Government from ordering a disarmament of the people to thwart their ability to assemble a militia. Where I see the tricky patch, or the grey area, if you will, is between the terms "Well regulated Militia" and the Right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, ie what constitutes "Infringement". I am not convinced that the Second Amendment was written with the idea of prohibiting any legal restrictions as to the usages or responsibilities of citizenry with respect to firearms.
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| AFAIK, the only "usage" that can be regulated without infringement is criminal conduct. Not the criminality of merely owning a firearm, as happens to be the case in California, WRT certain models, such as the Colt AR-15, but the ancillary use, as in using a firearm while robbing a bank.
By the same token, it is within the authority of the state to restrict access to firearms by persons who are not fit, by reason of mental deficiency, or demonstrated tendency to resort to violence without cause.
But either way, the states have imposed a far heavier hand on the possession of firearms than the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution permits. The "Militia Clause" is not a restrictive clause, just a suggestive clause. Hunting and target shooting are equally valid legal uses of firearms; as is self defense.
I am not opposed to licensing, in principle, if the government would treat the license as a "shall issue", as is the case with driver's licenses. However, government officials have demonstrated a "give them an inch and they will take a mile" approach to compromise; so I won't compromise.
If we are in agreement, so much the better. But you must admit, for all their flaws, the Republicans usually cater to the gun owner, while the Democrats usually cater to the hoplophobes. Indeed, they are inclined to ignore that pesky "Militia Clause", as did Sen. David A. Roberti (D-LA) and Assy. Mike Roos (D-LA) in 1989, when they co-authored the "Roos-Roberti Assault Weapons Control Act" in the California State Legislature.
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said by KrK : Sure. The Republicans aren't responsible for anything, even the things they pushed for, just because they tricked some Democrat congress critter into voting for it as well. Editing you post, nah I fixed it for you. Did you forget all the posts here after the 2000 presidential election, where many people claimed they were moving out of the U.S.A., it was the same mood, if not worse than you accuse me of 
Now there you go, you are twisting reality. The Democrats were NOT tricked into signing anything the Republicans pushed for. The Democrats signed the agenda just as willingly, no trick there nor for that matter any treat.
said by KrK :Your blind partisanship forces you to apologize (or make excuses?) for the Bush regime, to twist everything in your mind to some Democrats fault, or to harken back twenty years to Whitewater and blame Bill Clinton. I did neither for the Bush regime, concerning the NSA wiretapping, I threw blazing fire balls just as hard as the next person. Sorry if you missed those posts. However, president Bush's policy on Iraq, I support fully and really, really hope the Democrats do not do something stupid.
»www.worldnetdaily.com/news/print···ID=52747
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Terror leaders reject Nancy Pelosi's comments on Iraqi insurgency
Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.
In a recent interview with CBS's "60 Minutes," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, "The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn't mean we stay there. They'll stay there as long as we're there."
Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week's elections.
WND read Pelosi's remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.
Islamic Jihad's Saadi, laughing, stated, "There is no chance that the resistance will stop."
He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would "prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States."
Jihad Jaara said an American withdrawal would "mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America)."
said by KrK :Even I know the Democrat party has a lot of flaws, but you insist the Republicans can do no wrong. I agree on this point, however IMO the Republicans have less character flawssaid by KrK : Well, I'll leave you to your fantasy world. OK, and I will leave you to yours.
said by KrK : Dude, really. Take a deep breath. Calm down. You're so obviously uber-pissed off at the election results it's affecting your emotional state right now. You're right I am uber-pissed off at the election results, my emotional state is just fine.
Conservative Democrats, as long as their feet are held to the fire, will govern right of center. Just don't turn your back on them to long or they'll stab you, it's their nature.
Now the liberal Democrats or Republicans. I honestly and truly hate their politics, I hate them as politicians, I hate them as people. I hate their frickin guts, I hate their liberal agenda.
IMO the liberals are responsible for the division, that has this country so deeply divided by their politics. It all started with those two hill-billy bums, the Clintons.
Dude, I hate to lose at anything, what I hate even more is to see our country lose, more importantly the people of our great nation lose. Why should American be forced to stoop to compete globally with third world outhouse hole countries at their level?
They should try to compete at the U.S.A.'s level. All because of some pissants, who would sell this country down the drain to gain power and influence. »www.getusout.org/
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