NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to flotknot
Re: sure it is!
said by flotknot  :ummm...the issue is something like 'prove that the guy who downloaded a copy of some dumbass song cost the record company 30k', not 'prove that filesharing is legal'. I have no idea what you are responding to. None of what you are writing relates to anything that I have posted.
Downoaders are not the ones facing legal sanctions. Period. You can't identify downloaders, but you can identify uploaders.
Never have I ever stated that filesharing is "illegal". Only that people who run filesharing programs without understanding what it means to share files are, um, deficient in their knowledge of what English words mean.
The record companies pull numbers out of their asses on a regular basis ffs.
I never said otherwise. I even questioned whether a methodology to determine actual losses could be developed.
Christ on a stick!
Blasphemy! I should "plonk" you for that. Seriously...
I've dl'ed millions if each POS song is worth 30k.
Cool, aint I a badass mega-criminal. Move over Gotti/Rumsfeld/ENRON execs...my hard drive is worth millions!
If all that you have done is download the stuff, they will never catch you. They can't catch. If you have uploaded, as well, without authorization of the copyright holders, well; yes, whether you steal a penny, or ten billion pennies, you are a thief. Not that unauthorized distribution of copyrighted works is theft, but it is illegal.
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flotknot
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join:2004-05-29
Calgary, AB
| reply to NormanS
ummm...the issue is something like 'prove that the guy who downloaded a copy of some dumbass song cost the record company 30k', not 'prove that filesharing is legal'.
The record companies pull numbers out of their asses on a regular basis ffs.
Christ on a stick! I've dl'ed millions if each POS song is worth 30k.
Cool, aint I a badass mega-criminal. Move over Gotti/Rumsfeld/ENRON execs...my hard drive is worth millions! |
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meomyomeomy
@telus.net
|  reply to PolarBear
quote:
"Many (lets say, for example) young teenagers can jump behind the wheel of a car and manage to figure out how to make the thing move. Does that mean we should just let them drive through city traffic?"
Ok, drive a one tone car that could take someones life for good; or download a song that takes money out of someones pocket? Hmmm tough one!
I should sue company's that uses automated robots cause I lose my income because a technology has forced me out of a job!
We live in the year 2006, some people like the riaa refuse to acknowledge that. When the times change businesses must change as well. Other wise the makers of the horse and buggy would be suing ford for making cars...
Ya I know, this topic is always a very opinionated subject, nature of the beast i guess....
On second thought, the riaa is right. If ALL music was free it would be the end of the world... |
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toadlife
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join:2004-05-03
Lemoore, CA
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| reply to NormanS
said by NormanS :I hate car analogies. Mostly because they aren't a best fit. maybe we should start one of these for DSLR.
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
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I gotta say, love that avatar. |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to tsu9
said by tsu9 :You would be very, very surprised. Some people can't program VCRs, either, but can plug them into the wall. People like that should never be allowed to have cars and guns.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03
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1 edit | reply to tsu9
In that case, I agree wholly. It is amazing to what people will claim "but I didn't know!"
Because, of course, finding out one way or another is simply an absurd idea. God forbid they acquire new knowledge!
edit: typo
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | reply to PolarBear
I wasn't arguing for an ignorance defense, but rather pointing out that ignorance is apparently quite contagious. |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03
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| reply to tsu9
If your VCR eats a tape from blockbuster, you are still responsible for the tape, even though you didn't know you were supposed to clean the VCR periodically.
It's not about whether or not you know if the filesharing program is indeed going to upload songs; YOU installed the program and chose to run it, thus YOU need to be responsible for what it does. Don't know what it does? Well maybe you shouldn't be installing and running software on your computer if you don't know what it does. Hell, if you are that ignorant about software, you probably shouldn't be using a computer at all.
Many (lets say, for example) young teenagers can jump behind the wheel of a car and manage to figure out how to make the thing move. Does that mean we should just let them drive through city traffic?
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to iotastorm
"Filesharing". File: a set of data, including the bits which make up the music/video". Share: allowing people to obtain what I have in exchange for giving me what they have".
It sounds like those people are worse than ignorant; they lack a basic grasp of the English language. Perhaps we should insist on a literacy test before selling people computers. Geez! I have to prove my competence before California will allow be to drive a car on their freeways, or buy a gun!
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iotastorm
join:2006-01-24
Florissant, MO
| reply to NormanS
Actually, people will install the program with default settings not knowing or realizing that whatever they download gets stuck in a shared folder and shared again.
They just wanna get free music, etc.
I knew someone like that, called me because his connection was soooo slow, found their little file-sharing program (e-donk I think) was sharing anything they downloaded and was filling up the upstream bandwidth. They had no idea that would happen, (User in need of clue).
Not saying is good of bad just adding insight for mix.
PIBKAC (Problem Isolated - Between Keyboard And Chair) |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | reply to NormanS
You would be very, very surprised.
Some people can't program VCRs, either, but can plug them into the wall. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to wentlanc
I hate car analogies. Mostly because they aren't a best fit. Better would be swimming pools and firearms. "I didn't know the gun was loaded" doesn't fly any more.
How can a person install, and run, a filesharing application without knowing what filesharing entails?
Mostly what they didn't know was that uploading copyrighted works was a violation of copyright law. As any two-bit, cheesy attorney (not to mention the really good ones) will tell you, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse".
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to TKJunkMail
Prove that ANYONE actually downloaded that song from the person. The person is not knowledgably uploading the song. Someone else is downloading it from them. If anything, the person who is being downloaded from is being taken advantage of.
It's a lot like leaving your car door unlocked. Does that make you a criminal?
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