grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief
join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
| reply to Ridr
Re: [HN7000S] Hughes new way of throttling my downloads is...
said by Ridr  :I don' see how his modem freezing up can relate back to a ground problem Electrostatic accumulation inside the modem circuitry. If there's no ground block, the cable will transport static electricity INTO the modem where the ones and zeros get confused. At some point they get confused enough to slow down throughput, after that it just locks up. Recycling/power cycling resets all the ones and zeros back to default - till the next load of static accumulates.
Cable blocks shunt that static to ground BEFORE it has an opportunity to enter the electronic circuitry.
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Ridr
join:2003-12-19
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I used the same dish and set-up since DW4000 /6000/7000 , I have yet to ground my set-up and have yet to have any grounding issues. I'm not saying grounding isn't important , but a lot of how important it is ,is in what kind of climate you live in. I don' see how his modem freezing up can relate back to a ground problem
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CMoore2004
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Jonesville, MI
| reply to WilliamT
So, if your dish is going to be using your home plug as the ground, what do you think that's going to do to your coax? Signal quality? Voltages?
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fsebentley
join:2005-12-31
Kingman, IN
| reply to WilliamT
That ground comes from your Pwer supply and is likely simply a direct feed thru from your ground prong, it is Not sufficient grounding for an entire Sat system and is intended as chassis ground for the modem.
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WilliamT
join:2006-01-01
Willis, MI
| reply to Road Runner
With my two coax cables disconnected, there is a zero ohm path between the third prong on the power plug and the shell of either coax connector on the modem.
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Road Runner
join:2004-03-19
Morrilton, AR
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Thank you! |
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Vtblues
if you can't get out of it, get in to it
Premium
join:2006-05-29
Brookfield, VT
clubs:   | reply to skydoc2
right here, »www.montanasatellite.com/tools/ |
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Road Runner
join:2004-03-19
Morrilton, AR
·HughesNet Satellit..
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said by anectine17 :said by Road Runner :How can you tell if you've got a faulty power supply? Change it out and see if things improve. Unfortunately they often test out OK voltage-wise, but don't hold up under a load. Additionally, the problems can be intermittent which makes chasing them down even more difficult. I have seen more than one person with a long-term problem, that could not be resolved otherwise, see a dramatic improvement in performance by simply changing power supplies. Thanks for the reply, but how do you go about getting a new power supply to try out? |
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anectine17
Premium,MVM
join:2003-01-05
Mountain Home, ID
| reply to Road Runner
said by Road Runner :How can you tell if you've got a faulty power supply? Change it out and see if things improve. Unfortunately they often test out OK voltage-wise, but don't hold up under a load. Additionally, the problems can be intermittent which makes chasing them down even more difficult. I have seen more than one person with a long-term problem, that could not be resolved otherwise, see a dramatic improvement in performance by simply changing power supplies.
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Road Runner
join:2004-03-19
Morrilton, AR | reply to anectine17
How can you tell if you've got a faulty power supply? |
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anectine17
Premium,MVM
join:2003-01-05
Mountain Home, ID
| reply to ITK
said by ITK :said by anectine17 :Grounding, grounding, grounding. I dont think so in this case. I saw several modems (HN7K) do this right out the box. I think its a power supply issue. That would be my next guess. I've seen faulty (but still functioning) power supplies cause a bizarre array of problems. People tend to think that if it's powering the modem up, it must be OK. Not always the case.
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ITK
join:2003-10-30
Washougal, WA
| reply to anectine17
said by anectine17 :Grounding, grounding, grounding. I dont think so in this case. I saw several modems (HN7K) do this right out the box.
I think its a power supply issue. |
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skydoc2
join:2006-10-01
Newton, AL
| reply to grohgreg
Hey guys, thanks very much for the tips. I guess I will have to break out the ladder and climb up to the roof and see.
Today the modem has behaved itself all day today...strange. Maybe it is only supposed to function "up to" 100% of the time, and 50% to 75% is the standard. 
Cheers,
Tascha |
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grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief
join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
1 edit | reply to enrolk
said by enrolk :My tripod is never grounded accept through the 120 volt power source at the modem. Sorry to stray off topic here, but good luck with that. You're not "grounded" through the 120 volt power source. That 3rd prong only grounds the power adapter, which is also an AC/DC transformer. You cannot ground backwards through a transformer bridge. The coaxial cable grounding block is the engineered path to ground for your modem. See »Grounding Question
Tascha - the answer is yes, system grounds need periodic inspection and maintenance just like anything else. The most common issue is corroded connectors. You can't see it from the outside, but - when present - is very apparent when you unscrew to see what they look like inside. Gold good, white bad. Secondarily, ground wires themselves can come loose at either end, or even get cut by a lawn mower
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enrolk
join:2002-04-23
Murrells Inlet, SC
| reply to anectine17
First, I question the grounding as a possible problem, at least in my case.
My tripod is never grounded accept through the 120 volt power source at the modem.
Right now I'm in the sand and things work fine or as fine as this system can ever be.
On occasion this occurrence has happened to me.
All lites on, and it doesn't respond to a browser click.
I wait, back page or reload and it comes to life. Some times I wait a little longer.
This problem never lasts long enough to check other browsers and I never thought to bring up the Advanced Page.
I wonder if it is possible for th modem to be thinking or something that would not show on the LED display.
Since it doesn't flash a TX when you click, then could it be a browser glitch?
I wish the event would last longer to be able to do some testing. |
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anectine17
Premium,MVM
join:2003-01-05
Mountain Home, ID | reply to skydoc2
Grounding, grounding, grounding. |
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skydoc2
join:2006-10-01
Newton, AL
| reply to CMoore2004
Thanks for the tips.
When these spells occur, the modem is wholly unresponsive. All 5 LEDs are on but steady and I can not access any of the diagnostic pages. So, sadly, I can't even try to tear down the turbo page.  grrrrrrr
On grounding - has not been a problem up until this week. Could grounding suddenly have become faulty? I have had this system in place since September this year.
I did not really think Hughes was doing it, but it would be a clever scheme for them to use...
T
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LesZ
join:2006-08-23
Scales Mound, IL
3 edits | reply to skydoc2
Tascha,
I am also on IA6 and 1216. For several weeks, I had the same problem. For a period of a few hours, my modem would lose its ability to connect. When it did reconnect, perhaps 15-20 minutes later, it would work fine for 10-15 minutes. Then it would lose the ability to connect again. This would go on for a few hours. Then, it would be ok for a while. Then, perhaps a day later, it would start over.
As could be expected, Hughes tech support was of no help.
What I discovered, on my own, was that, when the problem was happening, my modem was not able to connect with the web accelerator address. Addresses starting with 066.... seemed to be the problem. While it was a pain in the neck, the only solutions I found were to either reboot the modem or to go to the turbo page configuration (»192.168.0.1/fs/advanced/advanced.html) and do a turbo page tear down. If it tried to connect to a different
address, then it would be fine.
Even though Hughes tier 3 and tier 4 never said that there was a problem on their end, I had assumed that they had fixed something because I haven't had the problem for the last 3 or 4 weeks. Instead, for the last 3 or 4 weeks, they seem to have been doing "load balancing" on my gateway. My interpretation of "load balancing" means cramming more customers onto the gateway. During the last 3-4 weeks, my
"peak hours" slow downs have increased from about 4 to about 7 hours per day, and my speeds during those times have dropped from the 400-600 range down to, now, usually between 100 and 200.
By the way, I like your "gonna start paying up to $79.99".
It would be nice if we could say that "we don't guarantee a payment amount" and if we could pay commeasurate with the % of our advertised service that we actually receive. If I had the ability to re-write my contract with Hughes, in large print, I'd say that "they can typically expect payment of
$79.99", but, in much smaller print and much further down the page, I'd say "but the amount of payment is not guaranteed". Then, at the end of the month I could remit
$29.99 to them.
Les
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tate
join:2006-02-19
Tupelo, MS | reply to skydoc2
You have an equipment issue. Hughes is not doing it! |
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CMoore2004
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Jonesville, MI
| reply to skydoc2
How's your ground? Read the FAQ regarding grounding and how to discharge the static from your dish. Can you still access the modem's diagnostic pages when this occurs?
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