Comcablrtl
join:2003-10-25
Midwest | Re: TiVo Delayed Fact. | |
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join:2005-11-02
Portland, OR | Re: TiVo Delayed I'm thinking of another four letter word that starts with F... | |
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scanpa
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join:2006-09-06
Lebanon, PA
| It's true, that the main Roll-Out for the TiVo Comcast Motorola DVR Software has been pushed from Jan. 2007 till Mid / late April now. 
However the Few Test Markets will only be delayed till late Jan 2007 for the Public Roll Out instead of Late Dec. 2006.
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Daniel8802
join:2004-07-09
Sewell, NJ
clubs: | Re: TiVo Delayed any article to back this up? | |
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join:2006-09-06
Lebanon, PA | Re: TiVo Delayed This is not public released info.
this info was passed on today at work. | |
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join:2005-02-10
Philadelphia, PA | Re: TiVo Delayed By the time Comcast launches their TIVO service it will be next year this time. They always have make a big deal when they "Launch" anything especially new channels | |
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CableTool
Poorly Representing MYSELF.
Premium
join:2004-11-12
| Re: TiVo Delayed said by patspub  :They always have make a big deal when they "Launch" anything especially new channels Those BASTARDS! I wish they could just keep all their new products and service on the DL.. you know.. so no one will find out about them.
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Comcablrtl
join:2003-10-25
Midwest
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| There was never a promised release date anyways...just speculation on everyone's part. There is a version of the product ready, but Comcast wants to make sure that it is as perfect as it can be, before releasing it. I always agree with waiting until a product is better perfected, before releasing it. I think that companies should try to get new things out quickly, but not at the expense of quality. Look at the recent launch of PS3...they are burning out all over the place.
(Let's not all start bringing up the many issues with the Motorola DVRs now) | |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
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| Re: TiVo Delayed said by Comcablrtl :There was never a promised release date anyways...just speculation on everyone's part. There is a version of the product ready, but Comcast wants to make sure that it is as perfect as it can be, before releasing it. I always agree with waiting until a product is better perfected, before releasing it. I think that companies should try to get new things out quickly, but not at the expense of quality. Look at the recent launch of PS3...they are burning out all over the place. (Let's not all start bringing up the many issues with the Motorola DVRs now) Agreed! You don't want to make the same mistake as with the I-Guide / Motorola DVR's. Those products are obviously in their infancy. Let the TIVO software mature in the hands of Comcast and its testers. Release it to the general public when it is fit to be polished and clean.
Yeah the PS3 was rushed for the holiday season despite all the shortcomings. They really pulled a Microsoft as in "release it now, fix it later". The dang thing still sells for $900+ on e-bay. That's another conversation all together. | |
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Kamaz
join:2006-01-26
Elizabethtown, PA
| Re: TiVo Delayed said by cypherstream :Agreed! You don't want to make the same mistake as with the I-Guide / Motorola DVR's. Those products are obviously in their infancy. Wait I sec, I'm about to sign up for Comcast triple play with the dual tuner Motorala HD-DVR. Whatever the problems are, are they bad enough that I should hold off on signing up? | |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs: | Re: TiVo Delayed No, theres just small bugs and quirks that you work around. You have plenty of support here, and if you google "How to use a Motorola DVR" you'll find tons of information at the first hit. | |
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join:2005-04-12
Philadelphia, PA
| Re: TiVo Delayed I've reported multiple bugs and not one has been fixed.
My two main ones are:
When the unit turns on for a scheduled recording it shuts off afterwards, even if while it is recording you decided to watch a previously recorded program. This has happened since the 6412 and has continued with my 3412. It's been at least a year since I initially reported this.
My 3412 gives me an error code HW when the HD fills up. If I delete old shows it goes away, but I can't just let it fill up and delete old content as it needs the space without complaining - newer issue.
I just hope the tivo software is less buggy. I'll wait an extra couple of months if need be. | |
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
Premium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA
| Re: TiVo Delayed said by da sponge :When the unit turns on for a scheduled recording it shuts off afterwards, even if while it is recording you decided to watch a previously recorded program. This has happened since the 6412 and has continued with my 3412. It's been at least a year since I initially reported this. Don't turn the unit off. The power button on the DVR doesn't really turn the unit itself off, it only deactivates the video output. So you're not "saving electricity" or any wear and tear on anything by using it. That way, your recordings can start as they normally would, and you can still watch another channel or something already recorded without worrying about it shutting off again. | |
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celeritypc
For Lucky Best Wash, Use Mr. Sparkle
Premium
join:2004-05-15
Caldwell, NJ
| Re: TiVo Delayed said by fuziwuzi :Don't turn the unit off. The power button on the DVR doesn't really turn the unit itself off, it only deactivates the video output. Uhh, it also puts the hard drive into sleep mode thus you no longer hear the sound of the hard drive whirring as well. This is a big advantage when the DVR is in your bedroom and you are trying to sleep. | |
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Premium
join:2006-09-06
Lebanon, PA | Re: TiVo Delayed The HDD still runs even if the STB is placed in Standby (off) mode.
You can place both tuners on one of the 45 digital music channels and this will stop the buffering, but the HDD will still be on and spinning. | |
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
Premium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA
| said by celeritypc :said by fuziwuzi :Don't turn the unit off. The power button on the DVR doesn't really turn the unit itself off, it only deactivates the video output. Uhh, it also puts the hard drive into sleep mode thus you no longer hear the sound of the hard drive whirring as well. This is a big advantage when the DVR is in your bedroom and you are trying to sleep. Uh, no. The hard drive still runs, it still buffers. The video/audio output is the only thing "turned off" by the power button. | |
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celeritypc
For Lucky Best Wash, Use Mr. Sparkle
Premium
join:2004-05-15
Caldwell, NJ
| Re: TiVo Delayed said by fuziwuzi :Uh, no. The hard drive still runs, it still buffers. The video/audio output is the only thing "turned off" by the power button. When you turn the box off (put in standby or whatever) it is not buffering. The hard drive may indeed be spinning but there is no writing going on. When the box is on, you can distinctly hear the drive writing. I have had this box for 2 years. I know (and can hear) the difference when it is on vs. off.
If what you are saying is true, why bother having a power button at all? | |
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not quite right
I'm not cool enough to be a Mac person
join:2001-06-23
Puyallup, WA
| Re: TiVo Delayed said by celeritypc :said by fuziwuzi :If what you are saying is true, why bother having a power button at all? Kind of like TiVo's don't have a power button...because they are always on.  --
Hey...look another dead horse...let's beat it to death. | |
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CableTool
Poorly Representing MYSELF.
Premium
join:2004-11-12
| said by fuziwuzi :said by celeritypc :said by fuziwuzi :Don't turn the unit off. The power button on the DVR doesn't really turn the unit itself off, it only deactivates the video output. Uhh, it also puts the hard drive into sleep mode thus you no longer hear the sound of the hard drive whirring as well. This is a big advantage when the DVR is in your bedroom and you are trying to sleep. Uh, no. The hard drive still runs, it still buffers. The video/audio output is the only thing "turned off" by the power button. Then why the hell would the box turn on to record something at two in the morning?
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Loker
Premium
join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND
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| Re: TiVo Delayed said by CableTool :Then why the hell would the box turn on to record something at two in the morning? because it is meant to throw you off!
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
Premium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA
| said by CableTool :Then why the hell would the box turn on to record something at two in the morning? Just to p*** you off, perhaps? It isn't like that is the only quirky "feature" in the program running these boxes. I've had three techs (who swapped out the previous 4 6412's I've had, now on the 5th one, a Phase III that still exhibits much of the same issues as the others) tell me that the power only deactivates the audio/video output. Even with power "off", I can hear the HD heads moving if I listen closely (this new unit has a much quieter drive than previous ones).
If we're asking questions about these boxes, why the hell would the box store 25 remote commands for 5 minutes then execute them all at once?  | |
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join:2006-12-12
Ashburn, VA
| Re: TiVo Delayed said by fuziwuzi :If we're asking questions about these boxes, why the hell would the box store 25 remote commands for 5 minutes then execute them all at once? To p*** you off enough into buying an S3 HD TiVo box to replace it with? It worked on me  | |
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join:2004-04-08
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: TiVo Delayed I just want one thing fixed... if I leave the box on and turn my TV off, when I turn my TV back on I get no audio and a completely green screen. If I go to the service menu (turn box off and hit menu), I get a blue screen with some message about HDCP Protection being compromised, use the Y Pb Pr connections. If I restore the default values, I can watch TV just fine again (until the next time I turn the TV off). Now, it happens no matter how I turn off the DVR and TV. I have a 6412 III hooked up through the HDMI port to the TV, the optical audio to my stereo, and the coax to my VCR. Could the multiple connections be the issue?
I doubt seriously that TiVo is going to fix ANY OF THIS. The problem seems to be more of the Moto hardware than the i-Guide software. | |
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join:2006-12-12
Ashburn, VA
| Re: TiVo Delayed The specific problem you are describing points to an inability )between the TV & 6412) to negotiate HDMI with HDCP.
Seeing as the 6412PIII seems to have fixed all the past HDMI problems with these units (and it works flawlessly with my small-brand HDTV, even through a cheap monoprice 5x1 HDMI switch), I'd lay the blame on your TV. What model/brand is it? Sony (and to a smaller extent Samsung & Toshiba) was notorious for inept HDMI implementations on some middle-aged HDTVs (1-3 years old) | |
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join:2004-04-08
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: TiVo Delayed Well, I'm not alone. Between neighbors and family members, we all have problems except for my Mother. So out of 11 TV's, only 1 doesn't do this... the $400 special 36" plasma from Walmart, the rest of us range from $1900 to $6500. I'm pretty confident that all of our TV's are less than 2 years old. This problem ONLY started after the new guide update. It wasn't immediate, it was a few weeks later. When we switch the box out, the problem goes away for a few weeks. Then shows up every once in a while (at least once per day), then after a few days, happens every time the TV is turned on. The only way to stop it, is to turn the box off and quickly hit menu, then go to "restore to defaults". This is the ONLY way to get the all green screen or blue screen with the HDCP Protection error to go away. Unplugging/replugging the HDMI cable, playing a recording for a little while, power cycling the box doesn't work after awhile. While the P3's may have solved the HDMI problems before, the new guide has brought them back. Perhaps your switch is keeping the HDCP alive when you turn your TV off. | |
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join:2006-12-12
Ashburn, VA
| Re: TiVo Delayed said by markofmayhem : Perhaps your switch is keeping the HDCP alive when you turn your TV off. That certainly sounds feasible, and sfhub over on avsforums who knows a thing or two (or 7 million) about HDMI and monoprice has alluded to this too.
I hope I don't get that update, but if I do, and start having HDMI-HDCP issues, I will have been stretched beyond my tether of tolerance and WILL buy that second S3 HD TiVo I already only record inconsequential shows on my 6412 that I don't mind getting FIFO deleted when space runs out, and am overloading my not-yet-upgraded 30 hour S3 HD TiVo with all the shows I like or movies I plan to watch | |
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join:2004-04-08
Pittsburgh, PA | Re: TiVo Delayed How did you hook your Tivo up to comcast? Is there a way without using Smart Cards? The only thing that keeps me with Comcast is Ondemand. | |
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join:2006-12-12
Ashburn, VA
| Re: TiVo Delayed My TiVo DOES use CableCards.
It could also be connected directly to cable without CC's, and would pick up all the Analogs and every unen crypted Digital. But because cable companies move these channel numbers around, there isn't yet a way for the TiVo to provide Guide info for (and therefore make flexible, TiVo-interface recordings of) those channels. Manual recordings, like an old-school VCR, are, of course, possible. TiVo MAY listen to all the requests and allow for a flexible mapping schema to improve this interface to expected TiVo-quality levels, but they never announce these things - just push down an update someday
You could also just use an antenna if you're within 50ish miles (check antennaweb.org) of metropolitan HD sources, and save TONNES of money by going with just basic/extended cable to the TiVo with antenna!
I wanted a bunch of the digitals anyway, and Comcast lets you drop as many tiers as you need and keep precisely what you want with a CableCard - so I got them. Setup was a bit of a hassle because my Adelphia was transitioning and had to switch to using a Comcast headend to authorize the CCs, but the (Adelphia) techs and (Comcast) phonereps worked at it, and set it up flawlessly on the second visit/attempt. Two total hours at home wit techs over two mornings.
It should all be a LOT easier now that Comcast has special instructions out and their system works flawlessly with CCs and S3 TiVos. See if our local headend provides Motorola Cable cards (easier to set up than Scientific Atlanta). Others have had flawless 5 minutes succesfull installs lately!
Oh, and I can do without OnDemand - I can barely catch up on watching whats in my Now Playing List (hard drive), what's the point of MORE programming I can't watch? | |
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join:2005-11-02
Portland, OR
4 edits | said by scanpa :It's true, that the main Roll-Out for the TiVo Comcast Motorola DVR Software has been pushed from Jan. 2007 till Mid / late April now. However the Few Test Markets will only be delayed till late Jan 2007 for the Public Roll Out instead of Late Dec. 2006. Is Portland one of the test markets?! I'd love to be a beta tester, as somehow I already feel as such with this Motorola junk. | |
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