Michieru2
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Verizon copper will now be sold at your local Home Depot as pipes for your water heater. If they plan to move the entire network to fiber they need all the money they can get. |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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Long Beach, CA
| Would Verizon really take the time and money to "pull" the copper out of the last mile?
It just doesn't seem that they would use the labor/money to do this.
Maybe it's not as time consuming as I think.
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David
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clubs: | maybe when the time is right they will let the local natives dig it up... 
Ok I am NOT funny!! nor am I being serious.
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ptrowski
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clubs: | Actually the price of copper is very high right now, so they could recoup some money. |
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batterup
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said by Michieru2  :Verizon copper will now be sold at your local Home Depot as pipes for your water heater. If they plan to move the entire network to fiber they need all the money they can get. Verizon is going out on a financial limb to bring fiber to the premise. Verizon will NOT maintain a parallel outdated copper network. Copper must die, the CLEC's are collateral damage. |
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Michieru2
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Miami, FL | This is a perfect opportunity for a CLEC to start doing fiber in there own local area's where Verizon has not deployed yet to not let Verizon gobble up the entire fiber market in most places.
Unless they plan to piggie bank again. |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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| said by Michieru2 :This is a perfect opportunity for a CLEC to start doing fiber in there own local area's where Verizon has not deployed yet to not let Verizon gobble up the entire fiber market in most places. Unless they plan to piggie bank again. The investment is huge, it takes tax dollars or a Verizon to do it. If Verizon did not get the same deal as CATV, exclusive use of the network, they would not have built it. |
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ANOName
@verizon.net | reply to hopeflicker
when the Cu goes out, give the cusstomer a Tracfone |
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Michieru2
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Indeed it is and even for Verizon with there deployment it's costing them a pretty penny. But you must sacrifice in order to gain. Companies should simply look at alternatives if they cannot deploy fiber and by that I mean wireless technologies. Sure they don't have the capacity and speed but some technologies can surpass that of current DSL and can offer the customers the advantage of what a static network cannot offer you and that's flexibility.
Making a (P2P Point to Point) connection between businesses and a tower can provide speeds up to 100mbps and then some with decent speeds even during storms and rain.
If companies today expect to put little investment and gain a lot of profit that's really not how things work. One of the things a entrepreneur must have is to be able to take risks. We can argue between stupid risks and meaningful risks all day but the point is that you must take risks sometimes in order to gain.
If you plan to live in decade old technology and continue to do so eventually someone is going to deploy something in your area and you are going to be losing customers left and right.
MetroPCS is one example of how much coverage there gaining on a yearly basis as a "All talk one flat rate" cellular service. Because if you offer a superior service that "you know" is in high demand people are going to buy. This is the case with Fios and as there coverage grows so does the amount of customers and more cash flow means faster and faster deployment as the times go by.
Thing's don't start from 0 to 60 they start by pushing slowly and any gradual growth is significant even in the slighest bit which can continue help is when that wheel begins to come lighter and lighter for the individual(s) who are pushing it.
As that quote goes "It takes money to make money" but to be more accurate "It takes money to make lots of money" |
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batterup
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| said by Michieru2 :As that quote goes "It takes money to make money" but to be more accurate "It takes money to make lots of money" Most companies, ever very large ones, are pushing for net-neutrality and below wholesale rental of the network. That is much cheaper then building something. |
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Michieru2
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| But it's not really a solution and only a means to extract more money from content providers. People always push the crap all the way till the end until eventually it blows up in there face only to realize "doh this is not working". Companies are too naive as to think the content providers will stand for this but in essence in order for both to be successful they need each other. So the ISP's are simply crying wolf or they want to lock out other competitors from being able to access there networks when they are offering something similar to or exactly what they are saying one example is VOIP.
It will hurt both the content providers and the distributors of the content and the customers will be told to stfu as this is none of there concern which in reality is not but we paid for a service and we have every right to pull back our finances and big cry wolf would be a little wolf by the time that's done with it.
But people these days don't care and simply cry and complain and tell someone to fix the problem for them. Then eventually we got Peter pan and the 40 thieves in the executive and legislative branch who can care less what you have to say because they are smart enough to know everyone around them is stupid enough to believe what they have to say.
The sad thing is it's also leaking into the judicial branch and why oj simpson should be in the electrical chair right now, after all the bastard knows he did it. If it was not for the exclusionary rule he would of been put in prison.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusionary_rule
Nobody cares, everyone want's some fast quick solution like if there was a button on the internet that said "Fix Economy" or "Fix welfare" and expect to be done with it.
In my short 18 year's of lifespan nobody ever came to me saying "I will help you" they simply cried and complained that what I was saying is not worth it because of the hard labor or too much money and you are crazy or got the simple "good luck with that".
Then these are the same people who sit and complain all day at home about how bad things are going yet don't do jack shit about it. If you pissed off about people killing the enviroment go plant a freaking tree. If you worried about fuel emissions research and make something that could help lower emissions. Or invest money into someone small firm who is making a engine that you think could be a potential thing in the future. It's easy to cry and complain, it's harder to find a solution so to avoid the problem people always take the easy route and that easy route is not helping one damn bit. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
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said by batterup :Copper must die, the CLEC's are collateral damage. The CLEC's aren't just collateral damage. The CLEC's are the target!!!
A big advantage to Verizon is that they can rip out the copper, and replace it with a network they don't have to share. With no copper, they can tell a CLEC: "you want to take that customer from me, go run you're own damn copper" (what the FCC calls 'facilities-based competition').
If a customer wants to "go back from FIOS", Verizon just turns off the internet service; their telephones are still powered by the ONT on the side of their house. |
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batterup
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| said by PDXPLT :said by batterup :Copper must die, the CLEC's are collateral damage. The CLEC's aren't just collateral damage. The CLEC's are the target!!! Verizon is not placing FIOS to do away with CLEC's. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| said by batterup :said by PDXPLT :said by batterup :Copper must die, the CLEC's are collateral damage. The CLEC's aren't just collateral damage. The CLEC's are the target!!! Verizon is not placing FIOS to do away with CLEC's. Let's put it this way: if CLEC's had the right to demand sharing Verizon's fiber, there is no way that Verizon would be deploying it. FIOS deployment was 100% contingent on regulatory assurances that Verizon would have complete control over it. |
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batterup
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| said by PDXPLT :Let's put it this way: if CLEC's had the right to demand sharing Verizon's fiber, there is no way that Verizon would be deploying it. FIOS deployment was 100% contingent on regulatory assurances that Verizon would have complete control over it. Correct. |
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