N3OGH
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Re: Except the guy standing on my lawn
Actually, I'm not in "Pennsyltucky". Unless 20 miles south of Billy Penn's hat in center city Philadelphia, counts as the sticks... We have 11,000 residents in 5 square miles of township, so it's hardly rural, just tranquil.
Classifying a whole state of people as a bunch of "backwards hillbillies" shows a certain measure of arrogance and prejudice on your part. Without even knowing what part of the state I live in, you assume I live in some 1 horse hick town. According to the 2000 census the median income for a household in my township was $84,661, and the median income for a family was $87,248. I would have to say if I'm living in a town of Pensyltucky hicks, we're all doing pretty well for being such, especially considering those numbers are almost 7 years old. Our low call volume more has it's roots in the fact that we are a mostly residential area (98%) and the bulk of our residents are decent, law abiding citizens. I'm sorry to hear that the law enforcement officials in the "golden state" "wont even arrest a raging drunk slugging his wife & kids if there isn't a PFA on file." In my jurisdiction, that guy would be on his way to prison, as we don't tolerate domestic violence (regardless of the aggressor, and quite often it's the female) here.
You talk about an "A to B discussion" and jump right to "J", as in sounding like a jerk. No reason to jump to the level of insulting fella, it's a computer discussion board, not your prom date.
I can't say I'm at all insulted by your post, I'm used to dealing with people who form opinions of me and my profession without all the facts. I pride myself in offering punctual, polite, and professional service to the people of the town I live/work in. Where I work has been my home for almost 30 years. We have excellent schools, a great community, and easy access to everything the Northeast has to offer. If anything, I'm disappointed. I've come to expect more from someone who's been a BBR member as long as you have....
Oh, BTW. 1 call tonight. 911 hang up. Accidental...
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said by NOCMan  :So now you can nail them with theft of service and criminal trespass. Or.... (and here is a really dumb idea....)
... actually SECURE your router.
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major marco
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said by AnonDOG : quote:
Irrespective that you live in Pennsyltucky and the local PD apparently has absolutely nothing better to do than eat and have time enough to check into no call too small ...
Marco I didn't see the gentleman insult you in any way. I don't see how you can justify where he lives and the quality of service he wishes to provide his community... That dog don't hunt son, even in the "Golden State". This is an "A" to "B" discussion and you can "C" your unregistered ass out of it. Also, I am originally from the Commonwealth of Pennsyltucky, so I can say whatever I want about its hillbilly, backwards existence.
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The State Cops over there won't even arrest a raging drunk slugging his wife & kids if there isn't a PFA on file.
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When I was a regular on these forums this sort of blatant insult for no apparent reason would have bought me a ban. I guess there is no lack of arrogance in the "Golden State" There is no "insult" there, it is a fact. Son.
If you actually knew what you were talking about/checked the facts before you spouted off with your $0.02, then you would have a modicum of credibility. But I guess there isn't a lack of ignorance in unregistered guests who call everyone "son," and otherwise chime in with opinions about topics that they know absolutely nothing about, but feel free to butt into nonetheless. 
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said by major marco :said by N3OGH :said by NOCMan :So now you can nail them with theft of service and criminal trespass. Unless you find a cop and a victim with really good IT skills, you're probably just going to get simple trespassing. You aren't going to get any kind of "theft" or "trespassing" for a couple different reasons. First and foremost, unless you have a giant sign posted in a conspicuous place on the property that reads: "NO TRESPASSING." Secondly, most states don't have laws on the books making theft of a wifi signal a crime, and, lastly, do you really believe that you can pick up the phone, call local law enforcement and have them drop everything they're doing just to come running over to your house for the 90 seconds the stranger was allegedly "trespassing" on your lawn? What're you gonna say? There is a big, bad scary man on muh propty wid one o'dem cellular phones...he's scarin' me wid his phone and I's don't like 'im on muh propty! Ooooooh, scary! Urgent. That'll get the PD right straight to your house ASAP. Get real. Ain't gonna happen. thank... |
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Irrespective that you live in Pennsyltucky and the local PD apparently has absolutely nothing better to do than eat and have time enough to check into no call too small ...
Marco I didn't see the gentleman insult you in any way. I don't see how you can justify where he lives and the quality of service he wishes to provide his community... That dog don't hunt son, even in the "Golden State".
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The State Cops over there won't even arrest a raging drunk slugging his wife & kids if there isn't a PFA on file.
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When I was a regular on these forums this sort of blatant insult for no apparent reason would have bought me a ban.
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major marco
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said by N3OGH :In my jurisdiction it would get you an officer. Some places have lower call volumes, and can provide that level of service. Our motto? "No call too small".... Heck, I'm working tonight and I bet I'll be going to at least 1 barking dog call, or something inane like that... Irrespective that you live in Pennsyltucky and the local PD apparently has absolutely nothing better to do than eat and have time enough to check into no call too small, what exactly do you think you're going to get your hypothetical "trespasser" charged with? "Theft" of wifi?
Check your state statutes. Your legislature is lucky it even knows what the Internet is, nevermind having written a law against stealing wifi with a cell phone to make a VOIP call. You're living in a dream world if you believe that you can have someone arrested for standing on your lawn with a cell phone doing what you imagine is "stealing" your wifi with his phone. The State Cops over there won't even arrest a raging drunk slugging his wife & kids if there isn't a PFA on file.
Good luck with your imaginary criminal charge(s). Be sure to report back here if you ever get a "trespasser" arrested for stealing your wifi with a cell phone for a VOIP call.
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N3OGH
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In my jurisdiction it would get you an officer. Some places have lower call volumes, and can provide that level of service.
Our motto? "No call too small"....
Heck, I'm working tonight and I bet I'll be going to at least 1 barking dog call, or something inane like that...
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n1zuk
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The nice thing about my WiFi phone is that it makes casual wardriving that much easier. Tell the phone to scan, and it will come back with the SSIDs and if they are secured or not. Signal levels, too...
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said by major marco :
(SNIP)... lastly, do you really believe that you can pick up the phone, call local law enforcement and have them drop everything they're doing just to come running over to your house for the 90 seconds the stranger was allegedly "trespassing" on your lawn?
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That'll get the PD right straight to your house ASAP. Get real. Ain't gonna happen. Well there is that joke about the guy calling 911 because someone is stealing stuff out of his shed and is told that no police are available right now. Then calling 911 back and saying nevermind sending the police, because he shot them, and getting every police officer in the area.
The police arrive and catch the criminals in the shed, and say to the guy, "I thought you said you shot them." The guy replies "I thought you said there were no police officers available."
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major marco
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said by N3OGH :said by NOCMan :So now you can nail them with theft of service and criminal trespass. Unless you find a cop and a victim with really good IT skills, you're probably just going to get simple trespassing. You aren't going to get any kind of "theft" or "trespassing" for a couple different reasons. First and foremost, unless you have a giant sign posted in a conspicuous place on the property that reads: "NO TRESPASSING." Secondly, most states don't have laws on the books making theft of a wifi signal a crime, and, lastly, do you really believe that you can pick up the phone, call local law enforcement and have them drop everything they're doing just to come running over to your house for the 90 seconds the stranger was allegedly "trespassing" on your lawn?
What're you gonna say? There is a big, bad scary man on muh propty wid one o'dem cellular phones...he's scarin' me wid his phone and I's don't like 'im on muh propty! Ooooooh, scary! Urgent. That'll get the PD right straight to your house ASAP. Get real. Ain't gonna happen.
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operagost
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No need. Just turn on the lawn sprinkler. |
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If your router doesn't have encryption how do I know that you just didn't want to setup a free ap? I know most people are against this and I will get backlash. I’m waiting for if the front door is unlocked analogy does that mean you can go inside! |
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N3OGH
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said by NOCMan :So now you can nail them with theft of service and criminal trespass. Unless you find a cop and a victim with really good IT skills, you're probably just going to get simple trespassing.
Since these phones work using both an open hotspot and traditional cell systems, the fact that the person is on your lawn with the phone isn't prima facia evidence he's using your hotspot to make the call. Unless the "victim" is savvy enough to pull the logs from his router and give them to the cop (and let's face it, if you're that savvy, you've all ready secured your router). Then the cop has to have the knowledge (and the initiative) to develop enough probable cause to obtain a search warrant for the contents of the freeloader's phone, and match the usage with those of the logs.
All of that for what is essentially a summary offense on par with a speeding ticket in most jurisdictions? Probably not. Maybe if it was an ongoing case....
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Flower Mound, TX | So now you can nail them with theft of service and criminal trespass.
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