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Cudni
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Pancakes not worth personal info

from
»www.securityfocus.com/brief/372
"...
For years, privacy advocates have lamented the fact that consumers are willing to turn over their personal information for just about anything. Well, it seems that many Average Joes draw the line at pancakes.

An International House of Pancakes in Quincy, Mass., began requiring that customers hand over their driver's licenses before sitting down to eat--a policy instituted by local management to combat dine-and-dash customers, ABC's network affiliate WCVB-TV reported on Tuesday. The policy had customers up in arms over the potential privacy problems.
..."

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That'd be one place I wouldn't eat, even if it meant missing a meal.
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"Privacy" issue or not, that's just plain dumb. They must have a serious dine-and-dash problem that needs to be addressed in a more logical way.

How about requiring people to pay for their food before it's served, like some self-serve gas stations do here in NY?

Pay before you eat.
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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

Dine 'n dash
Mow 'n Go
Eat 'n Retreat
Chomp 'n Stomp
Plow 'n Bow

A Very popular college kid stunt - especially late night at Denny's.

I read about this in yesterday's msn.com news. You know usually, the waiter/waitress ends up having to cough up the money for the stolen food out of their pay for the night.

It was an employee who suggested taking the ID's - not management, but the manager should have had a little more common sense that an act such as that would be over "the line" in terms of how far they should go to try to curb the thefts.

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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

said by FutureMon See Profile
You know usually, the waiter/waitress ends up having to cough up the money for the stolen food out of their pay for the night.
- FM
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Surely this can't be legal? In the UK we've had laws for many years preventing such losses from being levied on employees (known as "the truck acts").

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said by seankelly See Profile :

said by FutureMon See Profile
You know usually, the waiter/waitress ends up having to cough up the money for the stolen food out of their pay for the night.
- FM
[/BQUOTE :


Surely this can't be legal? In the UK we've had laws for many years preventing such losses from being levied on employees (known as "the truck acts").

May not be legal, but it happens. There are also some restaurants that require servers to bring in their own change every day in specific denominations.

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The only issue with pre-pay is when it's not universally enforced. Otherwise you get into profiling issues. But making patrons pre-pay may be a violation of the IHOP owner's franchise agreement.

A Dallas suburb recently had a similar issue with drive-off fuel theft. Most stations simply imposed a 100 percent pre-pay only rule. But one very busy station owner, where 90 percent of drive-off thefts occurred, was prohibited from doing so by language in the franchise agreement. The city council finally had to pass an ordinance mandating pre-payment of fuel city-wide in order for the owner to implement pre-pay.

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said by MrBradTX See Profile :

The only issue with pre-pay is when it's not universally enforced. Otherwise you get into profiling issues. But making patrons pre-pay may be a violation of the IHOP owner's franchise agreement.

A Dallas suburb recently had a similar issue with drive-off fuel theft. Most stations simply imposed a 100 percent pre-pay only rule. But one very busy station owner, where 90 percent of drive-off thefts occurred, was prohibited from doing so by language in the franchise agreement. The city council finally had to pass an ordinance mandating pre-payment of fuel city-wide in order for the owner to implement pre-pay.
Well, I was sorting of kidding about that. It probably wouldn't be practical in an restaurant situation anyway. But there's got to be something better than would alleviate their problem while not making legitmate customers feel....icky?

I kind of like the show-a-receipt-at-the-door idea....however, depending on what neighborhood we're talking about, who's to say that a "guard" (some older, retired dude?) wouldn't be shot for trying to stop someone who didn't pay?
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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

Well, there is this place called HomeTown Buffet. You pay when you walk in, and then eat all you want.

Sometimes I think they ought to weigh you on the way in, and then on the way out, and make you pay that way though. I've seen some disgustingly overwieght people in that place the one time I went in one.

Maybe IHOP should start the system where you pay for 2 drinks and an entree and a side of something up front, per person, then get a credit/cash back for what they don't use of that on the way out?
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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

said by DHRacer See Profile :

Sometimes I think they ought to weigh you on the way in, and then on the way out, and make you pay that way though.
And also weigh any waste you might excrete in the restrooms.

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said by DHRacer See Profile :

Well, there is this place called HomeTown Buffet. You pay when you walk in, and then eat all you want.

Sometimes I think they ought to weigh you on the way in, and then on the way out, and make you pay that way though. I've seen some disgustingly overwieght people in that place the one time I went in one.

Maybe IHOP should start the system where you pay for 2 drinks and an entree and a side of something up front, per person, then get a credit/cash back for what they don't use of that on the way out?
Weigh me? In public? Over my dead body.....I'd rather surrender all my personal information!

Yeah, I was sort of thinking of a pre-pay idea something like that. You pay for the *main* part of your meal up front, and then you could always pay at the end for any extras you ordered after that. Kind of inconvenient though....
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said by DHRacer See Profile :

Well, there is this place called HomeTown Buffet. You pay when you walk in, and then eat all you want.

Sometimes I think they ought to weigh you on the way in, and then on the way out, and make you pay that way though. I've seen some disgustingly overwieght people in that place the one time I went in one.
Weigh-out minus weigh-in ... Hmmmm.

Under that rule, if you bring a brown bomber and a dose of salts with you to the buffet, you could end up with them paying you.
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An interesting alternative to pre-paying: leaving a credit card with the waiter/tress when you enter/sit.

Of course there would be obstacles to this: is the card yours? Stolen? Even any good (canceled, over limit, etc.)?
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I almost took a job at a gas station 14 years ago (times were tough) and they actually trained me how to profile so that I decided who paid up front and who did not. It boiled down to clean cut white people, over the age of 30 got to pay post-pump. Everyone else, pre-payment required.

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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

inaccuracy, that is the problem with old style profiling, colour of the skin has no effect on it actually

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said by Midak See Profile :

I almost took a job at a gas station 14 years ago (times were tough) and they actually trained me how to profile so that I decided who paid up front and who did not. It boiled down to clean cut white people, over the age of 30 got to pay post-pump. Everyone else, pre-payment required.
Ah yes. Similar to the "terrorists have Middle Eastern accents and olive skin" profile. McVeigh and Nichols pretty much discredited the whole "profile by appearance" thing.

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At my few-month stint at a convenience store, I saw many a young teenager honestly post pay for their gas.

One time, however, I witnessed a hunched over elderly woman in her Cadillac completely fill her tank, get in, and drive away like it was nothing.

You would assume she simply had a brain-fart, but I never did hear about it again (i.e., she never came in to pay for it), and the way Tesoro keeps reports, my manager would have told me if she eventually came in to pay for it.

Profiling is wrong, and for a reason; you NEVER know who is a criminal and who isn't. When an 18 year old punk clad in tattoos and piercings driving a ghetto-pimped out Honda post-pays for his gas every day and an 80 year old grandma in a Caddy does not, it makes you think twice.
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If - IF - their dine and dash problem is that bad, why don't they ask the local PD to have a patrol officer hang out by the main entrance/exit to enforce the law? If the problem is really as bad as they make it to be, the local PD shouldn't object, as obviously they would probably be able to make an arrest or two.

And instead of their customers feeling invaded/exploited/etc., they would feel safer knowing a cop was on the premises.

Any thoughts?
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said by PolarBear See Profile :

If - IF - their dine and dash problem is that bad, why don't they ask the local PD to have a patrol officer hang out by the main entrance/exit to enforce the law? If the problem is really as bad as they make it to be, the local PD shouldn't object, as obviously they would probably be able to make an arrest or two.

And instead of their customers feeling invaded/exploited/etc., they would feel safer knowing a cop was on the premises.

Any thoughts?
I doubt the local PD would want to spare cops to stand in an IHOP all day and all night. I'm sure that's already been thought of and canned as a not viable solution....then every business would want a cop at their door.

Another possibility along that line is to have the cops routinely show up and walk into the IHOP on a regular basis....sometimes just their presence at random times can be a deterrent. I know they do that at our local convenience stores.

Or....how about guard dogs that they could sic on unpaying customers as they flee to their cars?
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said by La Luna See Profile :

Another possibility along that line is to have the cops routinely show up and walk into the IHOP on a regular basis....sometimes just their presence at random times can be a deterrent. I know they do that at our local convenience stores.


You're right; this is a just-as-effective alternative that wouldn't warrant actually stationing an officer there. I also know that this is a good tactic (a cop randomly showing up for no apparent reason) because it worked great at the Tesoro I worked at.

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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

said by PolarBear See Profile :

said by La Luna See Profile :

Another possibility along that line is to have the cops routinely show up and walk into the IHOP on a regular basis....sometimes just their presence at random times can be a deterrent. I know they do that at our local convenience stores.


You're right; this is a just-as-effective alternative that wouldn't warrant actually stationing an officer there. I also know that this is a good tactic (a cop randomly showing up for no apparent reason) because it worked great at the Tesoro I worked at.

Kudos, Luna
Free coffee would work wonders in getting cops to voluntarily make pit-stops IMHO. Doesn't have to involve the city at all.

I heard a girl at a party the other day talking about how she got pulled over for speeding. She was wearing her Starbucks uniform, and once the cop heard her story about being late for work, he let her go and quote "I wouldn't want to ruin the relationship the department has with Starbucks". Apparently they get free coffee (at least in that city).

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said by FutureMon See Profile :

Free coffee would work wonders in getting cops to voluntarily make pit-stops IMHO. . .
Don't forget the donuts.

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In my days as a police reporter for a morning paper, working 4 p.m. to 1 a.m., I always stopped at a Toddle House diner on my way home from work, and became friends with the cook. I noticed that hardly an hour would pass without an officer dropping in for coffee, and one night asked her why the place was so popular. It turned out that the chain had a rule that required her to brew fresh coffee every 30 minutes and toss the old pot -- and late at night there wasn't enough normal trade to use up a full pot in half an hour. She passed the word that anytime an officer wanted a cup during her shift, it would be on the house. As a result she had the best security of any establishment in the city!

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said by jimkyle See Profile :

In my days as a police reporter for a morning paper, working 4 p.m. to 1 a.m., I always stopped at a Toddle House diner on my way home from work, and became friends with the cook. I noticed that hardly an hour would pass without an officer dropping in for coffee, and one night asked her why the place was so popular. It turned out that the chain had a rule that required her to brew fresh coffee every 30 minutes and toss the old pot -- and late at night there wasn't enough normal trade to use up a full pot in half an hour. She passed the word that anytime an officer wanted a cup during her shift, it would be on the house. As a result she had the best security of any establishment in the city!
Same thing down here, we always have National Guard, NOPD, Sheriff's, or even our PD Department in our cafe because of the "Free Coffee to Law Enforcement" rule established by our school. Great rule if you ask me.

No donuts though, gotta pay for em. Probably why most of our department is in shape
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said by La Luna See Profile :

. . Or....how about guard dogs that they could sic on unpaying customers as they flee to their cars?
Yeah! That way the dog gets a free meal, too!

Or....how about arming the wait-staff with Walther PPK's, and issuing them a 'license to kill'?

*BTW, I weigh 190 lbs., Luna.
Before dinner or uh, 'restroom activity', that is.

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Here in Panama City, FL they have cops in Waffle House all night. I always thought they were just there on thier breaks untill one night we had a dead battery and asked the cop for a jump, he said he had to stay on premises untill 5am.

I think that he was stuck there more because Panama City Beach at night can get a bit rowdy. And the Waffle House and other diners near my house dont have cops posted, then again, that seams to be where most of the cops go on break and after shift.
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said by »www.securityfocus.com/brief/372 :

Late Tuesday, IHOP's corporate offices declared that the single store which implemented the policy would be reversing the decision and underscored that the manager had instituted the measure without notifying the head office.
The last (and only) time I went to the IHOP in my neighborhood, the service was so slow that order went like this:
order
wait wait wait
eat
wait wait wait
ask for check
wait wait wait
estimate the bill and leave money on table
dash
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said by eSteve See Profile :

The last (and only) time I went to the IHOP in my neighborhood, the service was so slow that order went like this:
order
wait wait wait
eat
wait wait wait
ask for check
wait wait wait
estimate the bill and leave money on table
dash
The last time I went to an IHOP (because I was craving pancakes), we were seated pretty promptly. However, I noticed that there was obviously old bacon on the floor under the table next to us. They took our order and then we were entertained by a couple trying to keep their 3 or 4 year old child in line.

"Don't stand up! Sit down! Sit down now! You'd better sit down! I'm counting to 3. 1.... 2..... You'd better sit down. You'd better not pick up that knife. Put that knife down. Don't wave that knife around. I'm counting to 3. 1.... 2.... You'd better sit down now." (repeat for quite awhile)

Our food came minus the whipped cream that usually is on their pancakes, so they took it back to put the whipped cream on. Then we finally got to eat. The pancakes were average quality if that. We paid and left.

A big letdown from the IHOP that I remember from when I lived on Long Island. That IHOP was clean, family friendly, and had courteous staff. I'll never go back to the one by me again. Next time I get a pancake craving, I'll just whip up a batch. I can do it much better than they can.

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said by Jason Levine See Profile :

said by eSteve See Profile :

The last (and only) time I went to the IHOP in my neighborhood, the service was so slow that order went like this:
order
wait wait wait
eat
wait wait wait
ask for check
wait wait wait
estimate the bill and leave money on table
dash
A big letdown from the IHOP that I remember from when I lived on Long Island. That IHOP was clean, family friendly, and had courteous staff.
I live on LI and the 3 times I went I went to IHOP in the past couple years, I ran into the same situation that eSteve See Profile has described. Their parking lots are full & they appear to be busy all the time, but that's because their service is so sloooooow.

If I don't feels like making breakfast myself [pancakes, waffles, eggs or whatever], I go to a diner.

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said by Jason Levine See Profile :

said by eSteve See Profile :

The last (and only) time I went to the IHOP in my neighborhood, the service was so slow that order went like this:
order
wait wait wait
eat
wait wait wait
ask for check
wait wait wait
estimate the bill and leave money on table
dash
The last time I went to an IHOP (because I was craving pancakes), we were seated pretty promptly. However, I noticed that there was obviously old bacon on the floor under the table next to us. They took our order and then we were entertained by a couple trying to keep their 3 or 4 year old child in line.

"Don't stand up! Sit down! Sit down now! You'd better sit down! I'm counting to 3. 1.... 2..... You'd better sit down. You'd better not pick up that knife. Put that knife down. Don't wave that knife around. I'm counting to 3. 1.... 2.... You'd better sit down now." (repeat for quite awhile)

Our food came minus the whipped cream that usually is on their pancakes, so they took it back to put the whipped cream on. Then we finally got to eat. The pancakes were average quality if that. We paid and left.

A big letdown from the IHOP that I remember from when I lived on Long Island. That IHOP was clean, family friendly, and had courteous staff. I'll never go back to the one by me again. Next time I get a pancake craving, I'll just whip up a batch. I can do it much better than they can.
I will have mom come out and flip you one of her famous short stacks sometime..but just now she is on the no fly list.
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For some reason, that strip reminded me of this:



(From »www.sheldoncomics.com/ )

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said by Jason Levine See Profile :

For some reason, that strip reminded me of this:

ROTF..I like yours better I maybe gone a couple days with that link.
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said by Name Game See Profile :

ROTF..I like yours better I maybe gone a couple days with that link.
Yeah, I love reading Sheldon. By the way, the Pancake strip was part of a 5 day series starting with this one: »www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/021111.html

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I Hop, here I come! Seriously, that company has a bigger problem than meets the eye if they've had to choose this manner in which to try to eliminate that specific problem. Their problem is obviously one of training and management, IMHO. I certainly would not eat at that spot were that the case and wouldn't anywhere else that required such a thing. I wonder what the legal liabilities are that they set themselves up for in doing this.
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Privacy issues aside, if a business has to treat each and every one of their customers like a thief, they have a big problem.

And, of course, if any restaurant asked to hold onto my driver's license while I ate, I would refuse to give it up. If they refused to serve me without giving up a driver's license, their loss.
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This is the IHOP Genuine Advantage program. IHOP has a right to protect their property in this manner.

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said by dave See Profile :

This is the IHOP Genuine Advantage program. IHOP has a right to protect their property in this manner.
I hear that the new version turns to maggots in your stomach if you dine and dash.
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said by hpguru See Profile :

said by dave See Profile :

This is the IHOP Genuine Advantage program. IHOP has a right to protect their property in this manner.
I hear that the new version turns to maggots in your stomach if you dine and dash.
Nope..that's the new "Rooty Tooty Fresh & Fruity Breakfast"
with fresh banana slices or cool strawberry, or warm blueberry, or cinnamon-spiced apple compote.
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said by dave See Profile :

This is the IHOP Genuine Advantage program. IHOP has a right to protect their property in this manner.
The IHOPGA, instead of WGA!!


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Used to be several IHOPs in Columbus OH, but they all seemed to have been placed in areas that subsequently declined into unsafe neighborhoods. Having a security guard and requiring surrender of a drivers license makes me wonder what kind of unsavory clientele frequent the Quincy establishment. The fact that the guard can't spot walkouts wouldn't make me feel very safe either. All they'd need to do is have the cashier print a time/dated receipt and have the customer show it to the guard on the way out(a la WalMart when the stupid RFID tags aren't deactivated.

Before CC readers on gas pumps, some stations used to ask for DLs as well as cash prior to pumping. They said it was because of no-pay driveoffs. When I asked for a receipt of the DL and cash, and an employee ID at the time I gave them the items and another receipt after the sale, they seemed offended. I explained that I needed to ensure that my payment and DL went to a real employee and would not be "lost" and I would not be later accused of a drive-off.

All but a couple begrudgingly complied. The ones who didn't, didn't sell me any fuel.

As for the Walmart FPs on improperly deactivated RFID tags, I tell them at checkout that if I'm stopped and checked due to an alarm, everything I bought is going back. Only once did I return a bag of stuff.
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I've been to IHop's all over the country. I like them most of the time. But some are SLLLOOOOOWWWWWW. This is a management problem.

I love their Harvest multi-grain pancakes.

Anyway, asking for a deposit would be almost ok with me.

Asking for the DL is NOT ok.

They should get a security guard if they have a problem. The wait staff should NOT have to pay for orders not paid for. Hello? Are they trained professional thief stoppers? If you don't get to pick the customers you wait on, you cannot be responsible if they don't pay.
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No shirt, no shoes, no license, no service.

What if you don't drive?
And is it a license from just one person in the party, or must everybody surrender one?

As far as pre-pay-- ain't gonna happen.
Gas is one thing, food quite another.
There's been a time or two in my dining-out life when the food was so lousy, or the service so terrible, that I refused to pay (I was also once served a cocktail with a dead roach in it). Had I already pre-paid, there would have been more of a problem in refusing to pay, I'm sure.

Of course, the purpose behind their requiring a license is not to harvest personal information. The potential would exist, however, for an unscrupulous employee to use that as a means to initiate an identity theft.
But I can only reiterate-- as far as I'm concerned, handing over my driver's license to get a meal just ain't gonna happen.

*I'd like to be there when they weighed La Luna See Profile, though.
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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

said by arglebargle :

(I was also once served a cocktail with a dead roach in it).
What, you'd never had New York City Tequila before?

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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

said by dave See Profile :

said by arglebargle :

(I was also once served a cocktail with a dead roach in it).
What, you'd never had New York City Tequila before?
LMAO!!
Is that anything like a "Coney Island Whitefish"?

Actually, it was a new rum concoction that this particular establishment was taste-testing on it's customers, called a "Ron Cucaracha".
I wonder what that means in English?

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I have worked in such restaurants. As the waiter, you acted as cashier on all of your checks. At the end of the night, they tallied up all of them and you paid out. If you did not get paid, they would usually void it out but if it would happen regularly, you would be out of a job. I don't know of anyone who has had to cover a dine and dash.

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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

One of my friends who worked at a Dave and Busters had to cover a bill of almost $100 when her customers dashed on her.

(She quit a few weeks later after another incident with the manager after he verbally abused her in front of customers).

And I have been a pretty regular customer at Denny's for late night/early morning breakfast after partying. They too (at least in this location) told me that they had to cover the bill on dine-and-dash events)

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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

Well, that's the left coast for ya

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said by FutureMon See Profile :

One of my friends who worked at a Dave and Busters had to cover a bill of almost $100 when her customers dashed on her.

(She quit a few weeks later after another incident with the manager after he verbally abused her in front of customers).

And I have been a pretty regular customer at Denny's for late night/early morning breakfast after partying. They too (at least in this location) told me that they had to cover the bill on dine-and-dash events)

- FM
They need unionisation. The only decent thing is not to use such places.

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I found this statement from »www.thebostonchannel.com/news/10···ail.html rather disturbing:

""The security guard had at least 40 licenses in his hand. Identity theft is rampant. I wouldn't want to give my license, with my address or Social Security number to anyone that I'm not familiar with that ... I'm going just for breakfast," Russo said"

I'm surprised so many people had no problem turning over the drivers license for the price of a meal.

Our local hospital requires patient visitors to give their d/l to security before they are issued a badge and allowed to go visit. I'm not real happy with that and I sure as h#ll wouldn't give it up to wait staff in restaurant.
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major marco
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said by Cudni See Profile :

from
»www.securityfocus.com/brief/372
"...
For years, privacy advocates have lamented the fact that consumers are willing to turn over their personal information for just about anything. Well, it seems that many Average Joes draw the line at pancakes.

An International House of Pancakes in Quincy, Mass., began requiring that customers hand over their driver's licenses before sitting down to eat--a policy instituted by local management to combat dine-and-dash customers, ABC's network affiliate WCVB-TV reported on Tuesday. The policy had customers up in arms over the potential privacy problems.
..."

Cudni
Huh. The same schnooks would probably hand over their bank account numbers, mother's maiden name, and their SSN all for a free, cheap pen and/or tee shirt.
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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

said by major marco See Profile :

said by Cudni See Profile :

from
»www.securityfocus.com/brief/372
"...
For years, privacy advocates have lamented the fact that consumers are willing to turn over their personal information for just about anything. Well, it seems that many Average Joes draw the line at pancakes.

An International House of Pancakes in Quincy, Mass., began requiring that customers hand over their driver's licenses before sitting down to eat--a policy instituted by local management to combat dine-and-dash customers, ABC's network affiliate WCVB-TV reported on Tuesday. The policy had customers up in arms over the potential privacy problems.
..."

Cudni
Huh. The same schnooks would probably hand over their bank account numbers, mother's maiden name, and their SSN all for a free, cheap pen and/or tee shirt.
Hey, that's better than making me us get on a scale!!
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Haven't eaten at IHOP since I found a fingernail floating in my glass of tomatoe juice and when I complained, the manager suggested I put it there. I vowed I'd NEVER eat at IHOP again. That was 25 years ago.
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dave
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said by dave See Profile :

Why do you people think we have an immune system anyway?
We're having way too much fun here doing a "gross out". Don't be throwing cold water like the immune system on us.
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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

said by GadgetsRme See Profile :

said by dave See Profile :

Why do you people think we have an immune system anyway?
We're having way too much fun here doing a "gross out". Don't be throwing cold water like the immune system on us.
Ok how about the little creatures crawling around you and possibly ON you .... happily munching out on your "droppings".
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said by dave See Profile :

Why do you people think we have an immune system anyway?
To make sure we do not end up on the plate like dinosaurs ?

»www.news10now.com/content/top_st···ID=87913

Sure hope they did not chew the whole tail.
»www.tailofthedragon.com/dragon_h···res.html
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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

At a restaurant the other night, I said to the waiter,
"I'd like a piece of salmon that has turned, not thoroughly cooked, with a rock-hard baked potato on the side, a salad of wilted lettuce, limp onion, and rotten tomatoes, stale bread, a glass of spoiled milk and some cold coffee."
The waiter says, "Sir, we don't have that here."
I say, "Well, I ate here last week, and you had it then."

Bada-bing, bada-boom.


*Edit- sp

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I just finished my pancake breakfast at Ben & Joy's. Joy didn't ask me for my driver's license and the pancake was excellent. She also doesn't complain when we sit and read the paper after breakfast, or if we stay to palaver with our friends and neighbors.

Also see this blog entry. For those who know the place (hey yock See Profile!), Robin is recovering from a serious auto accident and hopes to be back to work in a few weeks.

I highly recommend looking for a place where, as in Cheers, "everybody knows your name"
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What kind of tastebud-challenged bastard thinks that 'sausage' and 'chocolate chips' belong together?

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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

said by dave See Profile :

What kind of tastebud-challenged bastard thinks that 'sausage' and 'chocolate chips' belong together?
Use the chocolate chips to wipe out the taste of the sausage residue...
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AB
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said by dave See Profile :

What kind of tastebud-challenged bastard thinks that 'sausage' and 'chocolate chips' belong together?
LOL! Gotta agree with you there, Dave!

Perhaps the same kind of intellectually-challenged bastard that would require you to hand over a driver's license prior to scarfing down an over-priced meal of questionable contents?

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Just to reiterate, this thread and all its contents are still Cudni's fault!!
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