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La Luna
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Re: Pancakes not worth personal info

"Privacy" issue or not, that's just plain dumb. They must have a serious dine-and-dash problem that needs to be addressed in a more logical way.

How about requiring people to pay for their food before it's served, like some self-serve gas stations do here in NY?

Pay before you eat.
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A Very popular college kid stunt - especially late night at Denny's.

I read about this in yesterday's msn.com news. You know usually, the waiter/waitress ends up having to cough up the money for the stolen food out of their pay for the night.

It was an employee who suggested taking the ID's - not management, but the manager should have had a little more common sense that an act such as that would be over "the line" in terms of how far they should go to try to curb the thefts.

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MrBradTX

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reply to La Luna
The only issue with pre-pay is when it's not universally enforced. Otherwise you get into profiling issues. But making patrons pre-pay may be a violation of the IHOP owner's franchise agreement.

A Dallas suburb recently had a similar issue with drive-off fuel theft. Most stations simply imposed a 100 percent pre-pay only rule. But one very busy station owner, where 90 percent of drive-off thefts occurred, was prohibited from doing so by language in the franchise agreement. The city council finally had to pass an ordinance mandating pre-payment of fuel city-wide in order for the owner to implement pre-pay.


La Luna
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said by MrBradTX See Profile :

The only issue with pre-pay is when it's not universally enforced. Otherwise you get into profiling issues. But making patrons pre-pay may be a violation of the IHOP owner's franchise agreement.

A Dallas suburb recently had a similar issue with drive-off fuel theft. Most stations simply imposed a 100 percent pre-pay only rule. But one very busy station owner, where 90 percent of drive-off thefts occurred, was prohibited from doing so by language in the franchise agreement. The city council finally had to pass an ordinance mandating pre-payment of fuel city-wide in order for the owner to implement pre-pay.
Well, I was sorting of kidding about that. It probably wouldn't be practical in an restaurant situation anyway. But there's got to be something better than would alleviate their problem while not making legitmate customers feel....icky?

I kind of like the show-a-receipt-at-the-door idea....however, depending on what neighborhood we're talking about, who's to say that a "guard" (some older, retired dude?) wouldn't be shot for trying to stop someone who didn't pay?
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Well, there is this place called HomeTown Buffet. You pay when you walk in, and then eat all you want.

Sometimes I think they ought to weigh you on the way in, and then on the way out, and make you pay that way though. I've seen some disgustingly overwieght people in that place the one time I went in one.

Maybe IHOP should start the system where you pay for 2 drinks and an entree and a side of something up front, per person, then get a credit/cash back for what they don't use of that on the way out?
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MrBradTX

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said by DHRacer See Profile :

Sometimes I think they ought to weigh you on the way in, and then on the way out, and make you pay that way though.
And also weigh any waste you might excrete in the restrooms.


La Luna
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said by DHRacer See Profile :

Well, there is this place called HomeTown Buffet. You pay when you walk in, and then eat all you want.

Sometimes I think they ought to weigh you on the way in, and then on the way out, and make you pay that way though. I've seen some disgustingly overwieght people in that place the one time I went in one.

Maybe IHOP should start the system where you pay for 2 drinks and an entree and a side of something up front, per person, then get a credit/cash back for what they don't use of that on the way out?
Weigh me? In public? Over my dead body.....I'd rather surrender all my personal information!

Yeah, I was sort of thinking of a pre-pay idea something like that. You pay for the *main* part of your meal up front, and then you could always pay at the end for any extras you ordered after that. Kind of inconvenient though....
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Midak
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I almost took a job at a gas station 14 years ago (times were tough) and they actually trained me how to profile so that I decided who paid up front and who did not. It boiled down to clean cut white people, over the age of 30 got to pay post-pump. Everyone else, pre-payment required.


Cudni
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inaccuracy, that is the problem with old style profiling, colour of the skin has no effect on it actually

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said by DHRacer See Profile :

Well, there is this place called HomeTown Buffet. You pay when you walk in, and then eat all you want.

Sometimes I think they ought to weigh you on the way in, and then on the way out, and make you pay that way though. I've seen some disgustingly overwieght people in that place the one time I went in one.
Weigh-out minus weigh-in ... Hmmmm.

Under that rule, if you bring a brown bomber and a dose of salts with you to the buffet, you could end up with them paying you.
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You know usually, the waiter/waitress ends up having to cough up the money for the stolen food out of their pay for the night.
- FM
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Surely this can't be legal? In the UK we've had laws for many years preventing such losses from being levied on employees (known as "the truck acts").


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said by seankelly See Profile :

said by FutureMon See Profile
You know usually, the waiter/waitress ends up having to cough up the money for the stolen food out of their pay for the night.
- FM
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Surely this can't be legal? In the UK we've had laws for many years preventing such losses from being levied on employees (known as "the truck acts").

May not be legal, but it happens. There are also some restaurants that require servers to bring in their own change every day in specific denominations.

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MrBradTX

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said by Midak See Profile :

I almost took a job at a gas station 14 years ago (times were tough) and they actually trained me how to profile so that I decided who paid up front and who did not. It boiled down to clean cut white people, over the age of 30 got to pay post-pump. Everyone else, pre-payment required.
Ah yes. Similar to the "terrorists have Middle Eastern accents and olive skin" profile. McVeigh and Nichols pretty much discredited the whole "profile by appearance" thing.


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If - IF - their dine and dash problem is that bad, why don't they ask the local PD to have a patrol officer hang out by the main entrance/exit to enforce the law? If the problem is really as bad as they make it to be, the local PD shouldn't object, as obviously they would probably be able to make an arrest or two.

And instead of their customers feeling invaded/exploited/etc., they would feel safer knowing a cop was on the premises.

Any thoughts?
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PolarBear
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An interesting alternative to pre-paying: leaving a credit card with the waiter/tress when you enter/sit.

Of course there would be obstacles to this: is the card yours? Stolen? Even any good (canceled, over limit, etc.)?
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PolarBear
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At my few-month stint at a convenience store, I saw many a young teenager honestly post pay for their gas.

One time, however, I witnessed a hunched over elderly woman in her Cadillac completely fill her tank, get in, and drive away like it was nothing.

You would assume she simply had a brain-fart, but I never did hear about it again (i.e., she never came in to pay for it), and the way Tesoro keeps reports, my manager would have told me if she eventually came in to pay for it.

Profiling is wrong, and for a reason; you NEVER know who is a criminal and who isn't. When an 18 year old punk clad in tattoos and piercings driving a ghetto-pimped out Honda post-pays for his gas every day and an 80 year old grandma in a Caddy does not, it makes you think twice.
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La Luna
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said by PolarBear See Profile :

If - IF - their dine and dash problem is that bad, why don't they ask the local PD to have a patrol officer hang out by the main entrance/exit to enforce the law? If the problem is really as bad as they make it to be, the local PD shouldn't object, as obviously they would probably be able to make an arrest or two.

And instead of their customers feeling invaded/exploited/etc., they would feel safer knowing a cop was on the premises.

Any thoughts?
I doubt the local PD would want to spare cops to stand in an IHOP all day and all night. I'm sure that's already been thought of and canned as a not viable solution....then every business would want a cop at their door.

Another possibility along that line is to have the cops routinely show up and walk into the IHOP on a regular basis....sometimes just their presence at random times can be a deterrent. I know they do that at our local convenience stores.

Or....how about guard dogs that they could sic on unpaying customers as they flee to their cars?
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PolarBear
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said by La Luna See Profile :

Another possibility along that line is to have the cops routinely show up and walk into the IHOP on a regular basis....sometimes just their presence at random times can be a deterrent. I know they do that at our local convenience stores.


You're right; this is a just-as-effective alternative that wouldn't warrant actually stationing an officer there. I also know that this is a good tactic (a cop randomly showing up for no apparent reason) because it worked great at the Tesoro I worked at.

Kudos, Luna
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AB
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reply to La Luna
said by La Luna See Profile :

. . Or....how about guard dogs that they could sic on unpaying customers as they flee to their cars?
Yeah! That way the dog gets a free meal, too!

Or....how about arming the wait-staff with Walther PPK's, and issuing them a 'license to kill'?

*BTW, I weigh 190 lbs., Luna.
Before dinner or uh, 'restroom activity', that is.


FutureMon
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said by PolarBear See Profile :

said by La Luna See Profile :

Another possibility along that line is to have the cops routinely show up and walk into the IHOP on a regular basis....sometimes just their presence at random times can be a deterrent. I know they do that at our local convenience stores.


You're right; this is a just-as-effective alternative that wouldn't warrant actually stationing an officer there. I also know that this is a good tactic (a cop randomly showing up for no apparent reason) because it worked great at the Tesoro I worked at.

Kudos, Luna
Free coffee would work wonders in getting cops to voluntarily make pit-stops IMHO. Doesn't have to involve the city at all.

I heard a girl at a party the other day talking about how she got pulled over for speeding. She was wearing her Starbucks uniform, and once the cop heard her story about being late for work, he let her go and quote "I wouldn't want to ruin the relationship the department has with Starbucks". Apparently they get free coffee (at least in that city).

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