SoonerorLAter
@usfca.edu | 25mbits is not enough for internet, tv, phone
... I want my HDTV and not some compressed version |
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Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA | At least now, I know for a fact that I don't need a 1080p TV, 720p will suffice since ATT will never have the bandwidth to provide more than that. |
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs:
| Yeah but there is HDTV, and then there is HDTV. DirecTV is currently advertising/selling "HDTV", but its highly compressed 1280x720p or 1280x1080i depending on the source channel. (no, that isn't just a typo)
Neither of which look as good as their OTA counterparts.
So can AT&T deliver HDTV plus everything else over 25Mbps, sure. Will it look as good as an OTA HDTV broadcast....very doubtful.
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Zorglub
AT&T restates that FTTH is unnecessary they intend to push a dying technology so the CEO can keep the bottom line fat to plump his pension..
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | So they dont have to go more into the RED like "Verizon" |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by JamesPC  :So they dont have to go more into the RED like "Verizon" Gotta spend money to make money. When AT&T is still paying the high cost of maintaining a rickety old copper plant, with no chance of matching the abilities of fiber, Verizon will be selling TV, Internet, and Phone over the most advanced network in the country.
When people living in AT&T territory get wind en mass of what fiber is capable of, they'll demand it.
Either way the day is coming when AT&T is going to HAVE to invest in FTTH. They're just trying to prolong the inevitable.
This is a classic case of good money chasing bad. Investing in all that "lightspeed" gear is gonna make things even more expensive, since it'll all be totally obsolete in 5 years...
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to Zorglub
No one broadcasts in 1080p |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·Comcast
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said by N3OGH : When AT&T is still paying the high cost of maintaining a rickety old copper plant, with no chance of matching the abilities of fiber, Verizon will be selling TV, Internet, and Phone over the most advanced network in the country.
Either way the day is coming when AT&T is going to HAVE to invest in FTTH. They're just trying to prolong the inevitable.
This is a classic case of good money chasing bad. Investing in all that "lightspeed" gear is gonna make things even more expensive, since it'll all be totally obsolete in 5 years... It is not as black and white as many here believe concerning fiber investment. AT&T is investing a lot of money to extend fiber in their plant: from CO to POPs; from POPs to curb(FTTC) in many places, etc. And even FTTH in greenfield developments. So the world is gray and not black and white. A lot of the cost to maintain copper is being eliminated already. And they will be getting more money from customers for TV to help finance future roll-outs of fiber, including more FTTH.
So whose method is best? Verizon's way of paying most of the FTTH costs in one big splurge? Or AT&T's way of "pay as you go"? The answer depends a lot on the relative costs of capital vs return on capital for the 2 firms and on their access to investment money. And if you are a CEO and CFO of these companies, what the Board of Directors see in financial results quarter by quarter. If the CEO/CFO's guess wrong their jobs are on the line.
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Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA
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said by bogey780 :No one broadcasts in 1080p I was being sarcastic... Nobody has the bandwidth right now, and ATT certainly won't have it any time soon. |
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Topmounter
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Evergreen, CO | reply to N3OGH
Got ROI? |
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
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said by TKJunkMail :So whose method is best? Verizon's way of paying most of the FTTH costs in one big splurge? Or AT&T's way of "pay as you go"? Build it right the first time and get it paid for... Or keep pay for continual incremental upgrades as you play catch up...
In the long run, one costs less..
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to bogey780
said by bogey780 :No one broadcasts in 1080p And i dont think anyone will[at least in our lifetimes]
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LightSpan
Premium
join:2004-02-18
Lexington, KY | reply to Zorglub
Who say's the fiber has to go all the way to the house FTTC,why can't the last couple of hundred feet be copper? VDSL run really good on the DISCS MX platform  . |
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inurenegade
join:2006-06-11
Wilmington, DE | reply to Camelot One
directtv's 1280x1080i anamorphic video requires up to 15 mbps
so damn how the hell is att gonna pull this off |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
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said by bmn :said by TKJunkMail :So whose method is best? Verizon's way of paying most of the FTTH costs in one big splurge? Or AT&T's way of "pay as you go"? Build it right the first time and get it paid for... Or keep pay for continual incremental upgrades as you play catch up... In the long run, one costs less.. Exactly. While the cost of "normal" DSLAMs and the like have been falling, all this cutting edge VDSL stuff is not cheap. Nor are the settop boxes, dsl modems, etc. And if ATT goes through a few iterations of DSL technology to keep pace with things, that's even more money. And the continuing maintenance of all that copper, even if it is being "pushed out" closer to the customer, is still going to be much more than maintaining a fiber plant. Especially if they need to bond multiple pairs to get the bandwidth they need for a home with 3 or 4 televisions and 2 or more DVRs.
I absolutely despise Verizon, but I think they clearly made the right move with FiOS. |
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LilYoda
Feline with squirel personality disorder
Premium
join:2004-09-02
Mountains
| reply to inurenegade
MPEG4 or H.264
For those that say they want HD "not compressed", wake up, that would require several Gbps of speed. Even Verizon's FiosTV is compressed HD (MPEG2?)
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to LightSpan
MX*DISCS uber alles.
No CPE power needed and upgrades allow speed comparable to FIOS. |
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thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| reply to JamesPC
said by JamesPC :So they dont have to go more into the RED like "Verizon" Thirty years from now they won't even be a company. |
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