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| said by TKJunkMail :There's no limit of people who believe that DRM-free content is not only inevitable, but makes good business sense. But what do bean counters at music companies say? They are the only ones that matter to the investors. Charge the same $$$ for content, spend les $$$$ on DRM crap.... -- Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, und programmier' die Zukunft mir |
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| said by joako :said by TKJunkMail :There's no limit of people who believe that DRM-free content is not only inevitable, but makes good business sense. But what do bean counters at music companies say? They are the only ones that matter to the investors. Charge the same $$$ for content, spend les $$$$ on DRM crap.... But that could lead to even MORE piracy. And that is why they are doing limited tests. See what the impact on "NO DRM" is to the bottom line. If the test shows piracy doesn't increase, then it is a no-brainer to drop DRM. But if sales of the non-DRM'd releases is reduced because of higher piracy, then DRM will be here to stay. It is pure dollars and cents. -- -- My BLOG My Web Page |
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| reply to joako maybe
I would almost say that it's conceivable for them to charge more for the music without DRM. Think of it as paying a "premium" for it. Of course, I have nothing to back that up other than my own way of thinking, but remember that this is the same industry that tried, unsuccessfully, to charge 2-3 dollars for 128k mp3 files from stores like PressPlay and a couple of others that flunked.
Don't get me wrong, this would be a huge step for the music industry if they were to begin offering DRM-free music, even if it was for say 1.29, especially if people bought it at those prices. -- Forget 'em, Support the Indies. Independent Music Online »www.ind-music.com |
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| reply to TKJunkMail Re: But what do bean counters at music companies say ?
said by TKJunkMail :But that could lead to even MORE piracy. And that is why they are doing limited tests. See what the impact on "NO DRM" is to the bottom line. If the test shows piracy doesn't increase, then it is a no-brainer to drop DRM. But if sales of the non-DRM'd releases is reduced because of higher piracy, then DRM will be here to stay. It is pure dollars and cents. I was getting ready to disagree with you, but the labels may be stupid enough to think this way. Given that all their music is already available for free online as mp3s, them making it available as an mp3 wouldn't increase piracy, but I guess they don't want to acknowledge that.
I think another factor behind this experiment is declining cd sales and flat/declining digital sales. I believe it's now obvious digital sales aren't going to make up the drop in cd sales and they are getting desperate.
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| reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail :But that could lead to even MORE piracy. And that is why they are doing limited tests. See what the impact on "NO DRM" is to the bottom line. If the test shows piracy doesn't increase, then it is a no-brainer to drop DRM. But if sales of the non-DRM'd releases is reduced because of higher piracy, then DRM will be here to stay. It is pure dollars and cents. The "piracy market" already has it share of "sales" in the music industry. The people who pirate will continue to do so, the millions of people that still continue to purchase music will continue to do the same, if anything some (small) amount of people who pirate music will buy now buy it because no restrictions are imposed. -- Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, und programmier' die Zukunft mir |
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| reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail :But that could lead to even MORE piracy. said by nasadude :Given that all their music is already available for free online as mp3s, them making it available as an mp3 wouldn't increase piracy, but I guess they don't want to acknowledge that.
I have to agree with nasadude. The music is already available for free, so by offering it as a pay service, they only stand to make money, not lose it.
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said by King P :I would almost say that it's conceivable for them to charge more for the music without DRM. Think of it as paying a "premium" for it. Of course, I have nothing to back that up other than my own way of thinking, but remember that this is the same industry that tried, unsuccessfully, to charge 2-3 dollars for 128k mp3 files from stores like PressPlay and a couple of others that flunked. Don't get me wrong, this would be a huge step for the music industry if they were to begin offering DRM-free music, even if it was for say 1.29, especially if people bought it at those prices. Does anyone here know what the yearly licenscing fees are for DRM software? I mean the stuff that layers the crap onto the content. That might be figuring into the equation, along with the realization that DRM is not unbreakable. |
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| reply to nasadude Re: But what do bean counters at music companies say ?
said by nasadude :So desperate, they will actually consider selling consumers what they want. God forbid!  |
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said by TScheisskopf :said by King P :I would almost say that it's conceivable for them to charge more for the music without DRM. Think of it as paying a "premium" for it. Of course, I have nothing to back that up other than my own way of thinking, but remember that this is the same industry that tried, unsuccessfully, to charge 2-3 dollars for 128k mp3 files from stores like PressPlay and a couple of others that flunked. Don't get me wrong, this would be a huge step for the music industry if they were to begin offering DRM-free music, even if it was for say 1.29, especially if people bought it at those prices. Does anyone here know what the yearly licenscing fees are for DRM software? I mean the stuff that layers the crap onto the content. That might be figuring into the equation, along with the realization that DRM is not unbreakable. Well the owners of the stores would pay for that, and for them its all going to be apportioned down to cents per song, so the labels can demand more money, the consumers pay the same and the store makes the same amount profit per song. win win win -- Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, und programmier' die Zukunft mir |
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| reply to joako Re: But what do bean counters at music companies say ?
How about BETTER music???
Once I replaced all my 70s/80s tapes with CDs, mostly with BMG and Columbia opening and closing accounts, exactly how are sales declining?
ADD A FRICKIN' DVD TO THE CD! Free music videos might sell some of this 1 hit, voice enhanced, and the rest is garbage passing as music crap.
Also, I'm sick of the "Greatest Hits" CDs from bands that had ONE hit.
I would buy an iPod but went for Creative Zen because iPods have terrible battery problems. And, all those FLV videos I downloaded from Youtube plays on it.
---- While I'm on a rant, how about M$ stop putting crap in Office. The next office can't export to Word Perfect? That is stupid. I'll stick with Office 2000 Pro.
Vista is most overblown piece of crap I've ever seen. 1 gig of Ram needed for it? 10 gigs of your HD needed? Are national secrets in that mess of an OS? Those requirements are ridiculous. Why not just make XP better? Other than 98SE, XP is best anyway. Apple II provided more fun.
I hope Vista is ME revisted!
I wish Apple would license its OS so M$ could be put out of its misery. iTunes works well on a Mac. Or, Linux sounds good if IBM would fully develop it and make it look cool.
Also, how about TESTING IE7 before releasing it? How hard is that? Firefox is okay, but, gee, do ya think they might create a plug-in guide for non-nerds?
Web 2.0 so far just plain sucks.
Just for info, XP SP2 had 54 updates on my new laptop. Couldn't they put all that s*** on the thing in the first place? DUH! 
As far as the Virus/Spyware/Worm making scumbags, may you all rot in hell with a Trash 80 and tons of porn that won't play!  |
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| reply to nasadude There just hasn't been any good music lately. Thought heavy metal was coming back but looks like it fizzled. Rap is crap now, the girl's were hot for a few years, their not now. Music industry needs a new wave of whatever and they will make money. The last really big wave was when grunge hit the market. |
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| said by Corehhi :There just hasn't been any good music lately. Thought heavy metal was coming back but looks like it fizzled. Rap is crap now, the girl's were hot for a few years, their not now. Music industry needs a new wave of whatever and they will make money. The last really big wave was when grunge hit the market. Yea rap needs another Biggie or something... honestly I think its going to finally die.... -- Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, und programmier' die Zukunft mir |
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