satdave
join:2006-07-07
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3 edits | WildBLue1 launch sucessful
Launch was nominal. Bird is now is under WilDblue telemetry control to place it in the box. Control of the satellite was handed over near 5:40 pm.est today after a 14 minute apogee burn.
Won't be long now
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grohgreg
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| Wildblue is not in the telemetry business. They may own the satellite, but they will not have physical control over it. What I think you meant to say is that the Kourou launch facility passed control of WB1 over to SpaceSystems/Loral telemetry control.
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Jim_in_VA
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Cobbs Creek, VA | WB is not in the tele buiness? Then what biz are they end? |
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randyvsatus
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There is a vast difference between the things that go on at a NOC and the knowledge required to position a satellite correctly 23,000 some thousands of miles above earth....not to mention the knowledge required to deploy the solar panels and light the bird up. You need the manufacturer to be heavily involved in these delicate procedures.
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grohgreg
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2 edits | reply to Jim_in_VA
said by Jim_in_VA  :WB is not in the tele buiness? Then what biz are they end? They are merely internet access providers who happen to own a good portion of the signal path. But they're hands off when it comes to the satellite itself, that they leave to Loral
Telemetry by the way, is the science of remote measurement. In the case of newly launched satellites, it's called Telemetry, Tracking, and Control (TT&C). The satellite's manufacturer uses radio signals to activate and test onboard systems, verify redundant systems, and generally give the bird a stress test before turning operational control over to the customer. This just happens to be a case where the only customer is also the owner (well, major shareholder anyway).
And TT&C is an ongoing thing; Loral's satellite control center will have an eye on the onboard satellite support systems 24/7, the Wildblue NOC exerts control out of the terrestrial segments.
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mooch
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I'm not a follower of what's going on with WB's new satellite, so please excuse me if this is old news...when will users begin seeing the benefits of WB1?
Thoughts on which KA band system will be better, WB or the upcoming Hughes system.
Is it naive of me to think that overcrowding might be resolved once WB and Hughes have these new satellites operating?
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randyvsatus
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1 edit | said by mooch :...when will users begin seeing the benefits of WB1? Thoughts on which KA band system will be better, WB or the upcoming Hughes system. Is it naive of me to think that overcrowding might be resolved once WB and Hughes have these new satellites operating? These are interesting questions and might result in a lot of debate over the next year!
1. Some say WB 1 will start taking on customers as early as Feb 2007......I'm more inclined to say May/June 2007.
2. Each system has some real advantages over the other...HughesNet's Spaceway has more capacity...but has more stuff to go wrong on-board (as in the NOC being onboard)...WB is a more basic approach...with many of the same potential problems Anik F2 has with all of the gateways (but at least you can get to the gateways!). Pick your poison!
3. All satellite operators/ ISP's are masters of overcrowding...sometimes they do it more carefully than other times!
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bill672
join:2004-09-02
Cambridge, NY
| Randy,
Could you explain what you mean by the "NOC being onboard" on the new Hughes.net Spaceway satellite?
Won't it still be necessary to beam the user's signal back down to a NOC on earth in order to be connected to the internet? (Unless two Hughes.net users wanted to have a peer-to-peer connection.) I always assumed the NOC was where the satellite signals, up and down, entered the internet.
What does Hughes think the advantage of Spaceway will be over the Wildblue satellite? |
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JSheridan
join:2006-07-03
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said by randyvsatus :1. Some say WB 1 will start taking on customers as early as Feb 2007......I'm more inclined to say May/June 2007. According to a press release I read on Yahoo which was made last night after the launch Dave Leonard the WB CEO stated they intend to start offering service from the new satellite on April 12, 2007. We shall see.  |
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Mac 1
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Re: WildBLue1 launch sucessful
Randyvsatus:
What do you mean by the same potential problems Anik F2 has with all the gateways? |
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DrStrangeLov_
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said by randyvsatus :1. Some say WB 1 will start taking on customers as early as Friday, December 8, 2006 · Last updated 8:05 p.m. PT
Arianespace rocket launches 2 satellites
By KERWIN ALCIDE
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
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The WildBlue-1 launch will triple the number of clients the Denver-based company can serve in the continental U.S. to up to 1 million customers, WildBlue CEO David Leonard said in a telephone interview from Denver.
WildBlue will conduct in-orbit testing and plans to offer service using the new satellite beginning April 12.
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»seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/···nch.html |
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randyvsatus
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1 edit | reply to Mac 1
said by Mac 1 :
Randyvsatus:
What do you mean by the same potential problems Anik F2 has with all the gateways?
The gateways primarily have ViaSat manufactured equipment. Thus far, that equipment has not been as reliable as Wildblue would have liked.......as witnessed by the repeated "issues" we've seen with beam closures due to under capacity of the blades used in the gateways to route traffic, high latency once the gateways are loaded and customer premises equipment failures (trias, and Surfbeam modems) higher than industry standards of less than 1%.
WB1 will also use ViaSat equipment.....
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randyvsatus
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Jab, when was the last time you recall a satellite provider hitting a target date?????? 
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DrStrangeLov_
| said by randyvsatus :satellite provider hitting a target date?????? First, it takes time to reach its orbital slot, and I suspect this is why April 12 is the operational date for new customers.
Second, each customer attached to Anik stays there unless they terminate their service. Hence, there is a strong economic incentive for getting that bird operational, ASAP.
Thirdly, the target date is based upon Space Physics (getting it to its location), and expected unfolding and testing routines. In essence, its all arithmetic of the times involved. So unless stuff happens ( »www.bumperdumper.com/bumper2.htm ), it will be operational around 12th April, 2007. |
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randyvsatus
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2 edits | reply to satdave
Frequency Range:Ku-, C-, Extended C-, and Ka-band
The HN 7000s handles ka band, but double hop (also called point to point connectivity) will be a Enterprise service and will cost more. Basically, it will only be used to move data between two of your owned sites ... not for browsing the internet with two hops.
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DrStrangeLov_
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said by randyvsatus :high latency once the gateways are loaded Better research that topic; changing the upload polling interval increases the perceived latency. I understand they are also using a Buffer Cache at Gateway; in other words, they are going for max performance (most users per beam) with this firmware change.
I might also add, that any new system will have issues to deal with, but my unit has no issues since late summer of 2005, except a potential dish alignment, which is no fault of WB/REA. I have that "defective power supply" that keeps on working. |
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seagreen
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(topic move) WildBLue1 launch sucessful
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The post that was here (and all 5 followups to it), has been moved to a new topic .. »Hughes.net Spaceway
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Alex G Bell
join:2002-07-02
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Re: WildBLue1 launch sucessful
In TV, it generally takes at least a month after a satellite is launched before users are allowed access to it; in this case I think it will be longer as there will be many more "users." The company does not want to release a product before they are fairly certain it is likely it won't fail prematurely.
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yahooserious
@sbcglobal.net | A satellite ISP releasing a product before they are certain (even fairly) that it won't fail prematurely?
That's never happened now, has it?  |
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