sortofageek
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2 edits | reply to anon63452
Re: Comcast usage "Abuse"?
My dream (I dream big) is to see a topic about bandwidth abuse in the Comcast HSI Forum which does not need constant moderation because some participants don't understand that namecalling (direct or indirect) is against site and forum rules and actually weakens their argument. My dream is that those who don't have points strong enough to make some impact on the viewer's thought process would simply refrain from posting, learn from those who don't need such tactics ... from those who have logic and reason to offer.
I dream of this topic being filled with those who understand they don't have to repeat their points over and over and force the entire world to believe. Good thought and reasoning offered will be appreciated by the mind who chooses to learn from it. No amount of pounding will convince the mind which is already made up. Nobody has to win and there actually may be more than one truth amid some of the issues we discuss. If only we could learn to offer what we know and then let it be.
For those who don't know to what logical fallacy refers, start here: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy
You might find your arguments better received with a bit of study in this area. 
Note: This is not aimed at anyone in particular. Just my thoughts on how such topics could be more interesting and helpful to all.
This one is locked, too much mod editing involved after I made it clear we needed to stick to the technical issues. |
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luk350
join:2002-03-05
San Francisco, CA
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said by hobgoblin  :"I'm DL on my DSL in other house 24/7, almost runing limit on daily usage from rapidshare plus non-stop Shareaaza client " "When my promotion on cable expiried, i'm moving back to DSL." To be honest that sounds great for both Comcast Users and Comcast Bean counters. You don't sound like the type of Customer that any company wants. Hob To be very honest you sounds like pro-Comcast happy ever customer, BUT this doesn't prevent Comcast nail you too,
and yes my DSL provider is want my business, well for the past 4 years i get nothing but help from tech support and customer reps. |
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Comcast
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2 edits | reply to PghNeon
said by PghNeon :Why are you saying 600gb when it's less than that... We don't know though... we can only *guess*... which is the whole point of this thread. Nobody *knows* exactly how much you're allowed to d/l before Comcast comes down on you like the Gestapo. The opposing view rebuttle is that whatever we d/l, it's too much and we should know better. What do you care? You have FIOS!  |
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PghNeon
join:2006-12-21
Pittsburgh, PA
1 edit | reply to NormanS
Why are you saying 600gb when it's less than that...
We don't know though... we can only *guess*... which is the whole point of this thread.
Nobody *knows* exactly how much you're allowed to d/l before Comcast comes down on you like the Gestapo.
The opposing view rebuttle is that whatever we d/l, it's too much and we should know better. |
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NormanS
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San Jose, CA
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1 edit | reply to ETed
So I will just change that to 10%. Whatever it takes. He isn't going to get anywhere near 600GB on the average DSL connection; considering that 80% of DSL customers on any service available will be 3Mbits/s, or less, on the download. Let him limit his download volume to the equivalent of 3Mbits/s (less ATM overhead; most DSL providers sell synch speed, so his D/L will be closer to 2.5Mbits/s).
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ETed
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said by NormanS :said by luk350 :I wonder what would happen if you capped your own Comcast bandwidth consumption to just 20% of the total theoretically possible by running full bore 24/7? He'ld still get cut off. On an 8/1 Comcast line that would be around 600 gig. |
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hobgoblin
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| reply to luk350
"I'm DL on my DSL in other house 24/7, almost runing limit on daily usage from rapidshare plus non-stop Shareaaza client "
"When my promotion on cable expiried, i'm moving back to DSL."
To be honest that sounds great for both Comcast Users and Comcast Bean counters. You don't sound like the type of Customer that any company wants.
Hob
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alalper
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Philadelphia, PA
| reply to NormanS
said by NormanS :I wonder what would happen if you capped your own Comcast bandwidth consumption to just 20% of the total theoretically possible by running full bore 24/7? Good reply. |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to luk350
said by luk350 :I'm DL on my DSL in other house 24/7, almost runing limit on daily usage from rapidshare plus non-stop Shareaaza client and never ever got anything from my ISP. so what the point having top speed and being worry all the time am i over dl limit? yes, i have my DSL speed capped, but that phisical line limitation, not someone "freely" actions. When my promotion on cable expiried, i'm moving back to DSL. What is your DSL DL speed? How many subscribers does your DSL provider have?
Your DSL provider almost certainly is giving you less download speed than Comcast, and may well have a lower subscriber to bandwidth ratio than Comcast has.
Assuming a 1536kbits/s DSL connection, you will only be able to get 1/5 the data volume as you could get from a Comcast connection for a given time period.
I wonder what would happen if you capped your own Comcast bandwidth consumption to just 20% of the total theoretically possible by running full bore 24/7?
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luk350
join:2002-03-05
San Francisco, CA
2 edits | reply to NormanS
These "invisible caps" should relate to quality of service delivered by Comcast. They certainly do not have enough bandwidth to allow every one of their 10^6 customers 24/7 download at 4Mbit/s, much less the 8Mbits/s of their most widely available top speed tier. No ISP has that capacity. DSL providers don't run into sharing congestion issues as quickly as cable HSI providers because the lower speeds of DSL downloading pretty much put a de facto cap on downloading.
I'm DL on my DSL in other house 24/7, almost runing limit on daily usage from rapidshare plus non-stop Shareaaza client and never ever got anything from my ISP.
so what the point having top speed and being worry all the time am i over dl limit?
yes, i have my DSL speed capped, but that phisical line limitation, not someone "freely" actions.
When my promotion on cable expiried, i'm moving back to DSL. |
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sortofageek
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join:2001-08-19
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clubs: |  reply to RR73
(topic move) [OT] and irrelevant
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The post that was here (and all 3 followups to it), has been moved to a new topic .. »[OT] and irrelevant
stated reason was: Off topic and irrelevant to topic |
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Comcast
@embarqhsd.net
| reply to RR73
Re: Comcast usage "Abuse"?
No, it doesn't.
Where does it say you can download at maximum speed for the entire month?
No where, thatI have seen, does it say this.
No one I have ever talked to has said this.
From what I have gathered, you have access to ungodly speeds, not unreal bandwidth.
Percentages of what the line is capable of doesn't matter.
If you want a line that you can download all month on, Sprint can probably hook you up with a T1.
May cost a bit more than you are paying now though, but you can run it all day and night!
Hope that clears that up. |
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RR73
@dasyp.com
| reply to Comcast
said by Comcast :
Where do you people get percentages from?
Percentage of what?
Since Comcast is selling speed, are you only getting 12-13% of your speed?
Start a thread of your own, I'm sure the good people here will try to help you get 80% or higher.
Many people are getting well in excess of the rated 6mbps that they are paying for!
Sure wish Comcast served my area! (upto)1.5mbps Sprint DSL is all I can get. Usually 940kbps.
No where has Comcast ever stated that you are allocated xxxGB per month. At whatever speed!
No where has Comcast ever stated that you could download the entire internet.
lol
this thread is funny!
I thought everyone here would understand that post, I guess not.
For clarification, "You People" as far as I know refers only to me, and this example refers the bandwidth, not speed. This example is for the 8 meg tier as MY connection behaves. I get about 1024kb per second speed when the site at the other end and my path are optimal. At this rate my connection could download 300GB in about 86 hours. Considering that there are 720 hours in a 30 day month, that's 12% of what my connection should be capable of. I hope this clears it up. |
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Comcast
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| reply to RR73
Where do you people get percentages from?
Percentage of what?
Since Comcast is selling speed, are you only getting 12-13% of your speed?
Start a thread of your own, I'm sure the good people here will try to help you get 80% or higher.
Many people are getting well in excess of the rated 6mbps that they are paying for!
Sure wish Comcast served my area! (upto)1.5mbps Sprint DSL is all I can get. Usually 940kbps.
No where has Comcast ever stated that you are allocated xxxGB per month. At whatever speed!
No where has Comcast ever stated that you could download the entire internet.
lol
this thread is funny! |
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NetFixer
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1 edit | reply to anon63452
All of this talk about network abuse and bandwidth (and Morty 's avatar) puts me in mind of Strong Bad's bandwidth problems. Enjoy! 
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RR73
@dasyp.com
| reply to Morty
said by Morty :Most people don't find a problem, so I guess you'd have to use common sense. If you don't have common sense, then they will call you and tell you that you are using too much and to cut back. I have yet to run into an actual person who didn't know that 300GB+ was too much. People typically fall into one of the three categories: 1) My son(s) use the computer (it could be their daughter, but most of the time it's their son lol) 2) 'I had no idea' (however, judging from the conversation they have quite the idea, they just didn't want to give the impression that they were doing it on purpose, in most of these cases it's just people pushing the limit, and once they're told they back way off) and.. 3) The people who think it's their right abuse the product. These are the people who get grumpy about no set limit. This is all true. But I would be upset getting one of these calls/letters for doing something that the customer service reps say there is no rule against (that's what makes ME grumpy). For another perspective, after doing a little math, an 8 megbit connection (using my own experience for actual download bandwidth attained) will download 300GB if used 12% of the time during a 30 day month. If you got a call from Comcast saying "You've been using your connection 13% of the time, that's too much! This is your only warning", it would sound pretty rediculous. The point I am trying to make is that in a vacuum, not knowing what other people's usage is that 300GB on an 8 meg service might not sound like that much to some people. You can cut that figure in half (6%) for anyone on the new (as I have read) 16 meg tier. Maybe the solution is for EVERYONE to use a little more bandwidth so we can bring up the average..  |
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anon63452
@ameritech.net | reply to anon63452
Well, I have switched to DSL. There is a slight issue with the speed/stability but once it's sorted out I'll cancel Comcast. Oddly enough I got a bill today and they raised me by $15! They REALLY want to get rid of me:) |
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alalper
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Philadelphia, PA | reply to Morty
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Morty
Premium
join:2004-09-18 | reply to AthlGrond
Shhhhh |
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| reply to Grover
said by Grover :
Comcast was purposely ambiguous when advertising "unlimited interenet" when it suited them.
Now it doesn't suit them, so they don't advertise it. So it was Comcast's plan from prior to 2003 to use intentionally vague advertising in order for them to nefariously gain the confidences of unsuspecting customers, who Comcast could turn around and screw in 2006.
And people say that companies can't plan past the next FTC filing. Clearly Comcast is as highly organized as it is evil.
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