Troll Rule
@comcast.net
| reply to NetFixer
Re: Comcast usage "Abuse"?
said by NetFixer  :said by whatever8 :
Your analogy is flawed. If I'm in Kindergarden and there's a box of 100 crayons and 10 students, I really shouldn't have more than 10 crayons in front of me. Maybe a little more or less based but not by much! Of course hogging 20,30, 40+ crayons in this situation isn't being nice. The whole issue is nobody KNOWS what the #s are...
I will break my troll rule and reply to this ridiculous statement. Even my youngest grandchild knows the answer to your crayon analogy (hint: how many hands do you have and how many crayons can you actually use at any given time?). So if Comcast is the teacher in this analogy, they promise the kids a zillion colors, don't tell the class many crayons there are, and beat the hell out of them when they take one crayon too many?
Why not just provide as many crayons as they imply with the zillion colors instead. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to capper
said by capper :
And don't forget that their definition of ABUSE is using anything approaching 20% of your available bandwidth!
You aren't buying "available" bandwidth. You are buying download speed.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to a non mouse
said by a non mouse :
why did they just upgrade the speeds if they are going to ban people who actually use it??
Speed != volume. Comcast offers 8Mbits/s down so you can grab your data 3x faster than I can grab it on my 3Mbits/s connection. Not so you can grab more than I, but so you can grab it in less time than I.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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Extreme
@comcast.net
| Let's take your "It's speed not volume" analogy to the extreme then. Let's suppose the bandwidth cap is 5GB a month. I suspect it's not, but I don't really know and you agree that there's no need to reveal what the cap actually is. You, being on a fast tier, will hit your CAP much quicker. How low would the cap actually have to be before you stood up and said "this is BS?" 5gb? 10gb? 3gb? What do you think is reasonable and why do you think it's reasonable? |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| Considering that I can only find about 400GBytes of shows worth downloading in two years, your question is hardly relevant. I can't hit any Comcast bandwidth cap because there isn't enough stuff out there worth trying for.
I can download all the shows worth getting on 1536kbits/s, and have volume to spare.
What are you downloading that you can hit 200GBytes per month? If it is that important, and valuable, why not rent a fatter pipe from a real bandwidth provider?
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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Capper
@comcast.net
| said by NormanS :What are you downloading that YOUR HOUSEHOLD can hit 200GBytes per month? Shouldn't that question be:
What is YOUR HOUSEHOLD downloading that you can hit 200GBytes per month?
I realize that you might only have 1 or 2 poeple using the internet in your house, but many BBR readers have 4 or 5 (or more) people in their house using the internet.
Imposing invisible caps forces the primary account holder to be an internet cop for Comcast. It is a good idea to protect your kids from inappropriate content on the net, but it should be optional. With hidden caps, Comcast is almost forcing it down your throat. |
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cracker 52
@comcast.net
 from:
dadkins
| As has been said many times before, Comcast has built its network/plant and can set any kind of rules/policies as they desire. And they are not going to change them because of postings on this board (thank God).
So, if you don't like Comcast rules/policies, then don't use their service. Just go to another ISP provider or a commercial service connection. |
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Rules
@comcast.net | I would love nothing more than to comply with comcast rules. They just won't tell me what they are. |
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cracker 52
@comcast.net
from:
dadkins
| Not revealing what the caps are is part of their policies. So again, if you don't like it, then go to another provider or a commercial provider who have specific caps. |
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Your Mama
@comcast.net
| said by cracker 52 :
Not revealing what the caps are is part of their policies. So again, if you don't like it, then go to another provider or a commercial provider who have specific caps.
That's a pretty simplistic statement. Kinda like "America, Love it or leave it". What's next, name calling? |
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cracker 52
@comcast.net | I'm certainly not calling anyone names. Just laying out the facts and the alternatives. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to Capper
said by Capper :
Shouldn't that question be:
What is YOUR HOUSEHOLD downloading that you can hit 200GBytes per month?
I realize that you might only have 1 or 2 poeple using the internet in your house, but many BBR readers have 4 or 5 (or more) people in their house using the internet.
400GBytes in two years = 16.66GBytes per month. Multiplied by five people is 83.333GBytes per month. Well under any "invisible cap".
Imposing invisible caps forces the primary account holder to be an internet cop for Comcast. It is a good idea to protect your kids from inappropriate content on the net, but it should be optional. With hidden caps, Comcast is almost forcing it down your throat.
You are wrong about that. Comcast only has "X" amount of bandwidth available to share amongst 10^6 customers. They have to monitor bandwidth usage so they don't get a lot of complaints about lack of speed from customers affected by the half dozen heavy file traders on their nodes.
The Comcast AUP/TOS, which, like your state motor vehicle code, you are supposed to be familiar with, has given you a "Basic Download Volume Law". Just as you need to monitor your speed when you drive, you need to monitor your download volume.
I am able to cram 26 half-hour episodes of anime onto a 4.7GByte DVD, stored as "data" (raw .avi files). I just checked my HDD. I have 116GBytes of anime, over 800 half hour episodes collected just in the last six monts, or so. There is no way that I can watch them all over the next year. Five people might be able to watch them all, individually, on their own computers.
You can shuck, and you can jive; I am just not convinced that even five people can hit that "invisible" Comcast cap consistently. Not unless they are downloading every TV show recorded in the last five years.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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Counter
@comcast.net
| There were some reports earlier in the thread of people @ 80GB getting the notice. We just don't know! And is it per calender month? Per 30 days? Is it on a daily basis (ie, I only download 35 gigs in a month, but I do 15 of them in one day, which, on a monthly basis is 450GB which WOULD be over the invisable cap)...It's impossible to be able to manage your bandwidth while still maximizing your legal downloading when you don't know the cap! |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by Counter :
...I only download 35 gigs in a month, but I do 15 of them in one day, which, on a monthly basis is 450GB which WOULD be over the invisable cap)...
You are either downloading only 35GBytes in a month, or you are downloading 450GBytes in a month. Which is it?
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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Neither
@comcast.net
| I have done and am doing neither. I'm just a customer who wants to download a lot and not get noticed. But that's a legit question. 15 a day is 450 a month. But if you don't do 15 every day then it doesn't amount to 450. So if you do under 100 but top 15 in a day, does that set the trigger off since it's above the cap on a prorated? |
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Morty
Premium
join:2004-09-18
| reply to Counter
said by Counter :
There were some reports earlier in the thread of people @ 80GB getting the notice. We just don't know! And is it per calender month? Per 30 days? Is it on a daily basis (ie, I only download 35 gigs in a month, but I do 15 of them in one day, which, on a monthly basis is 450GB which WOULD be over the invisable cap)...It's impossible to be able to manage your bandwidth while still maximizing your legal downloading when you don't know the cap!
No, there isn't, and if anyone said they did, they're a liar, plain and simple. People use to get warnings for 100 GB many years back shortly after Comcast purchased ATTBI. |
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Morty
Premium
join:2004-09-18
| reply to Neither
said by Neither :
I have done and am doing neither. I'm just a customer who wants to download a lot and not get noticed. But that's a legit question. 15 a day is 450 a month. But if you don't do 15 every day then it doesn't amount to 450. So if you do under 100 but top 15 in a day, does that set the trigger off since it's above the cap on a prorated?
Daily amounts don't matter, it's based off end of the month data. |
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Morty
Premium
join:2004-09-18
| reply to Capper
said by Capper :said by NormanS :What are you downloading that YOUR HOUSEHOLD can hit 200GBytes per month? Shouldn't that question be: What is YOUR HOUSEHOLD downloading that you can hit 200GBytes per month? I realize that you might only have 1 or 2 poeple using the internet in your house, but many BBR readers have 4 or 5 (or more) people in their house using the internet. Imposing invisible caps forces the primary account holder to be an internet cop for Comcast. It is a good idea to protect your kids from inappropriate content on the net, but it should be optional. With hidden caps, Comcast is almost forcing it down your throat. If you're downloading 300 - 600GB per month, YOU should know that someone is doing that. That is a lot of content, and you're probably watching it on your TV... This does come up now and again (about 10% of bandwidth abusers from my experience) and they're the nicest and most understanding to deal with.
The categories again are:
1) 10% "My son(s) use the computers", I will talk to them about it (Issue resolved)
2) 30% "Act surprised" but you get the clear impression that they are aware of it, and just don't want to make it seem as if they were doing it on purpose. I figure some of these people are the curious "push the limits" types. (Issue resolved)
3) 60% "It's my god damn internet, and you can take it from my cold dead hands" --- Account Terminated (Issue resolved  ) |
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upload
@comcast.net
| reply to Morty
said by Morty :said by Neither :
Daily amounts don't matter, it's based off end of the month data. And what about Upload? Is it counted the same as download (as in, what matters is the total bandwidth?
That is to say, someone with 100GB DL and 2 GB UL is viewed the same as someone with 52 down and 50 up as far as the "invisable cap" is concerned? |
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Morty
Premium
join:2004-09-18
| said by upload :said by Morty :said by Neither :
Daily amounts don't matter, it's based off end of the month data. And what about Upload? Is it counted the same as download (as in, what matters is the total bandwidth? That is to say, someone with 100GB DL and 2 GB UL is viewed the same as someone with 52 down and 50 up as far as the "invisable cap" is concerned? It's viewed as, how it degrades the network to others in your area. |
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