Risk
@comcast.net | reply to Morty
Re: Comcast usage "Abuse"?
Well you've stated many times that one runs a risk being over 200GB. Is that 200GB total or 200GB DL? What does one "run a risk" @ in UL #s alone? |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA | reply to Neither
15GBytes per day just once every month, or so, shouldn't trip any wires. |
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Grover
@mellon.com
3 edits | reply to NormanS
said by NormanS  :Considering that I can only find about 400GBytes of shows worth downloading in two years, your question is hardly relevant. I can't hit any Comcast bandwidth cap because there isn't enough stuff out there worth trying for. Ah so I see... all caps should be relevent to what you think is worthwhile to download. Duh.
Mod Note: Keep it technical, please. When these threads get personal, they get ugly and non-educational for anyone. ~sorto' |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by Grover :
Ah so I see... all caps should be relevent to what you think is worthwhile to download. Duh.
I am stating a personal bias. I am questioning whether there is sufficient "decent" content to make 600GBytes per month worthwhile. I have yet to watch all of those 400GBytes that I have spent two years downloading. I can't believe anybody downloading 600GBytes per month even has enough processor time to watch that content; the processor must be running full bore just downloading stuff! I really suspect those "heavy downloaders" are doing it just because it is technically feasible, not because they really want, or watch the content.
These "invisible caps" should relate to quality of service delivered by Comcast. They certainly do not have enough bandwidth to allow every one of their 10^6 customers 24/7 download at 4Mbit/s, much less the 8Mbits/s of their most widely available top speed tier. No ISP has that capacity. DSL providers don't run into sharing congestion issues as quickly as cable HSI providers because the lower speeds of DSL downloading pretty much put a de facto cap on downloading.
The more download speed you give to your customers, the greater the stress you potentially put on your bandwidth, depending upon how the customers use that speed. If the average customer is not downloading half of what I download, there will be no stress by the average customer. Those who download as much as I do will probably distribute any stress in a manor which does not, overall, adversely affect the network. Just 2% of the customers running 8Mbits/s full bore for 24/7 will stress the network sufficiently to draw attention to themselves. That is just the nature of shared bandwidth.
Comcast is selling speed, not "X" MBytes per month of download. All that speed does is allows you to grab a video file in one third of the time that it takes me to grab the same file on a slower DSL connection. The fact that you can download faster than I does not, necessarily, translate into being able to download more than I. Not without adversely affecting your fellow customers, anyway.
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Fullbore
@gte.net
| said by NormanS :Just 2% of the customers running 8Mbits/s full bore for 24/7 will stress the network sufficiently to draw attention to themselves. That is just the nature of shared bandwidth.
None of the people getting calls are not running "full bore". Most of them are using 10-20% of their available bandwidth. Obviously Comcast has oversold their network so much that that less than 1% of their users running at 10-20% (200 - 600 gig/mo) of their capacity degrades the entire network. It looks like Comcast's network is not capable of handling all of the connections that they have sold. So they are kicking the highest bandwidth users off to make room for the new customers. The old customers were promised "unlimited internet". However those ads are gone, and the links to them have been 404'ed. Now that promised is being reneged on and new customers are not getting the "unlimited internet" promise. This lets Comcast make bandwidth for new customers by screwing their existing customers instead of building out their network. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to Fullbore
Re: Comcast usage "Abuse"?
said by Fullbore :
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Obviously Comcast has oversold their network so much that that less than 1% of their users running at 10-20% (200 - 600 gig/mo) of their capacity degrades the entire network.
The old customers were promised "unlimited internet".
For the last time. Comcast was never selling "unlimited" bandwidth. Or any kind of data volume.
They were advertising, and still are selling, "unlimited" access time. Unlike dial up services, which frown on, and even disconnect users for using, unlimited access time, Comcast promises, and delivers, 24/7 connectivity. That was the "unlimited" in their formerly advertised "unlimited access" promise.
They were, and still are selling download speed. Not data volume. You can download your pron at 4 or 5 times the speed as I can on my ADSL connection. But when you start hitting 200GB, 300GB, and up, you are sucking "bandwidth" from your neighbors. Comcast can't sustain even 300GBytes per month if every last one of their 10 million subscribers tries to use it all. Maybe they should stop selling so much speed.
Maybe they should have stuck with slower download speed. But they were modeling their service on the premise that their customers would not all, every last one of the 10 million, try to download the entire content of the Internet by running their connections full bore at 8Mbits/s down on a 24/7 basis.
It is nice to be able to download a movie in 15 minutes instead of the hour and a half, or so, it takes me on my ADSL connection. But when you try to download 6 movies in an hour and a half, because your speed allows the possibility, you start to have an adverse impact on your neighbors.
Comcast is selling speed, not download volume!
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Grover
@mellon.com | reply to NormanS
Re: Comcast usage "Abuse"?
Comcast was purposely ambiguous when advertising "unlimited interenet" when it suited them.
Now it doesn't suit them, so they don't advertise it. |
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
 ·Comcast
| said by Grover :
Comcast was purposely ambiguous when advertising "unlimited interenet" when it suited them.
Now it doesn't suit them, so they don't advertise it. So it was Comcast's plan from prior to 2003 to use intentionally vague advertising in order for them to nefariously gain the confidences of unsuspecting customers, who Comcast could turn around and screw in 2006.
And people say that companies can't plan past the next FTC filing. Clearly Comcast is as highly organized as it is evil.
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Morty
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alalper
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anon63452
@ameritech.net | reply to anon63452
Well, I have switched to DSL. There is a slight issue with the speed/stability but once it's sorted out I'll cancel Comcast. Oddly enough I got a bill today and they raised me by $15! They REALLY want to get rid of me:) |
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RR73
@dasyp.com
| reply to Morty
said by Morty :Most people don't find a problem, so I guess you'd have to use common sense. If you don't have common sense, then they will call you and tell you that you are using too much and to cut back. I have yet to run into an actual person who didn't know that 300GB+ was too much. People typically fall into one of the three categories: 1) My son(s) use the computer (it could be their daughter, but most of the time it's their son lol) 2) 'I had no idea' (however, judging from the conversation they have quite the idea, they just didn't want to give the impression that they were doing it on purpose, in most of these cases it's just people pushing the limit, and once they're told they back way off) and.. 3) The people who think it's their right abuse the product. These are the people who get grumpy about no set limit. This is all true. But I would be upset getting one of these calls/letters for doing something that the customer service reps say there is no rule against (that's what makes ME grumpy). For another perspective, after doing a little math, an 8 megbit connection (using my own experience for actual download bandwidth attained) will download 300GB if used 12% of the time during a 30 day month. If you got a call from Comcast saying "You've been using your connection 13% of the time, that's too much! This is your only warning", it would sound pretty rediculous. The point I am trying to make is that in a vacuum, not knowing what other people's usage is that 300GB on an 8 meg service might not sound like that much to some people. You can cut that figure in half (6%) for anyone on the new (as I have read) 16 meg tier. Maybe the solution is for EVERYONE to use a little more bandwidth so we can bring up the average..  |
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NetFixer
Freedom is NOT Free
Premium
join:2004-06-24
Murfreesboro, TN
 ·Vonage
·AT&T Southeast
 ·Cingular Wireless
·AT&T CallVantage
1 edit | reply to anon63452
All of this talk about network abuse and bandwidth (and Morty 's avatar) puts me in mind of Strong Bad's bandwidth problems. Enjoy!
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Comcast
@embarqhsd.net
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dadkins
| reply to RR73
Where do you people get percentages from?
Percentage of what?
Since Comcast is selling speed, are you only getting 12-13% of your speed?
Start a thread of your own, I'm sure the good people here will try to help you get 80% or higher.
Many people are getting well in excess of the rated 6mbps that they are paying for!
Sure wish Comcast served my area! (upto)1.5mbps Sprint DSL is all I can get. Usually 940kbps.
No where has Comcast ever stated that you are allocated xxxGB per month. At whatever speed!
No where has Comcast ever stated that you could download the entire internet.
lol
this thread is funny! |
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RR73
@dasyp.com
| said by Comcast :
Where do you people get percentages from?
Percentage of what?
Since Comcast is selling speed, are you only getting 12-13% of your speed?
Start a thread of your own, I'm sure the good people here will try to help you get 80% or higher.
Many people are getting well in excess of the rated 6mbps that they are paying for!
Sure wish Comcast served my area! (upto)1.5mbps Sprint DSL is all I can get. Usually 940kbps.
No where has Comcast ever stated that you are allocated xxxGB per month. At whatever speed!
No where has Comcast ever stated that you could download the entire internet.
lol
this thread is funny!
I thought everyone here would understand that post, I guess not.
For clarification, "You People" as far as I know refers only to me, and this example refers the bandwidth, not speed. This example is for the 8 meg tier as MY connection behaves. I get about 1024kb per second speed when the site at the other end and my path are optimal. At this rate my connection could download 300GB in about 86 hours. Considering that there are 720 hours in a 30 day month, that's 12% of what my connection should be capable of. I hope this clears it up. |
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Comcast
@embarqhsd.net
| No, it doesn't.
Where does it say you can download at maximum speed for the entire month?
No where, thatI have seen, does it say this.
No one I have ever talked to has said this.
From what I have gathered, you have access to ungodly speeds, not unreal bandwidth.
Percentages of what the line is capable of doesn't matter.
If you want a line that you can download all month on, Sprint can probably hook you up with a T1.
May cost a bit more than you are paying now though, but you can run it all day and night!
Hope that clears that up. |
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sortofageek
Premium,Mod
join:2001-08-19
Valhalla Dr
clubs: |  reply to RR73
(topic move) [OT] and irrelevant
Moderator Action
The post that was here (and all 3 followups to it), has been moved to a new topic .. »[OT] and irrelevant
stated reason was: Off topic and irrelevant to topic |
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luk350
join:2002-03-05
San Francisco, CA
2 edits | reply to NormanS
Re: Comcast usage "Abuse"?
These "invisible caps" should relate to quality of service delivered by Comcast. They certainly do not have enough bandwidth to allow every one of their 10^6 customers 24/7 download at 4Mbit/s, much less the 8Mbits/s of their most widely available top speed tier. No ISP has that capacity. DSL providers don't run into sharing congestion issues as quickly as cable HSI providers because the lower speeds of DSL downloading pretty much put a de facto cap on downloading.
I'm DL on my DSL in other house 24/7, almost runing limit on daily usage from rapidshare plus non-stop Shareaaza client and never ever got anything from my ISP.
so what the point having top speed and being worry all the time am i over dl limit?
yes, i have my DSL speed capped, but that phisical line limitation, not someone "freely" actions.
When my promotion on cable expiried, i'm moving back to DSL. |
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