nonymous
join:2003-09-08
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Re: Skype now $29.95 a YEAR unlimited calls
"Skype is not interested in turning a Quest DSL connection into a SuperNode, they are looking for big fish with sufficient bandwidth."
Thus freeload.
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76766337
join:2004-09-26
Riverside, IL
|  One would hope so. Please read the article on NAT so that you can bring yourself up to speed.
If that is too complicated may I suggest the following article which appeared on the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory (Fermilab) web site.
»https://netweb.fnal.gov/skype/skype.htm
You will note that Fermilab does not have a problem with Skype. "Use of Skype on systems attached to the Laboratory network is not prohibited"
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christcorp
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Thanks for the vote of confidence nonymous.
Bermuda. I am not starting topics, I am simply asking questions based on statements you and others are making. One such statement was that Skype is a great option for businesses. Now, the fact that Skype uses a client relay type of method, and the fact that MANY businesses use static IP addresses, begs the question; Is it possible that maybe Skype isn't such a good idea for businesses to use after all. Especially if they haven't looked into some of these details like some of us have, and may be exposing their network to this intrusion.
Also, I do appreciate the link to how NAT works. You have no idea what I know, and what I don't know. On a forum, it is very difficult to know exactly a person's background. While I consider myself pretty good at this "Stuff", there are always areas for more knowledge. That's why I rely so much on the "Fab-4" and so many other people's posts. Other than God and Family, I believe that knowledge is the most important thing in the world. So even thought it wasn't necessary, you did take the time to offer me information. Thx.... Mike..... |
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nonymous
join:2003-09-08
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"Acting as a Skype SuperNode is considered a violation of the Fermilab acceptable use policy. Skype SuperNodes generate excessive amounts of non-mission traffic and raise potential public embarrassment concerns regarding inappropriate use of government-funded resources. Local systems that become Skype SuperNodes routinely get blocked from off-site access by an automated blocking utility, resulting in denial of off-site access for the end user. The blocks are automatically dropped when the SuperNode activity stops, but are reinstated if the activity resumes.
Based on extended testing by the Fermilab Networking Section, a procedure has been developed to configure systems to run the Skype application, without becoming a Supernode. The testing has been conducted on a Windows XP system, however the general approach and configuration settings should be applicable to other platforms & operating systems. These procedures work with the current release of Skype. There is no guarantee these procedures will function properly in future releases. "
Read the article a little. Yes freeload. According to that website official or not supernode status is frowned upon by FEMI and procedures to stop or control are in place. Thus freeload. |
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76766337
join:2004-09-26
Riverside, IL
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Why thank you Mike, for your kind words. You are much to modest, I am sure that you know far more than myself who is after all just a simple retired investment banker. How could it possibly be that, I of all people, could understand much less explain to someone of your stature, the complexities of the Internet. 
I am however gratified that you have an open mind and a quest for knowledge, therefore I would like to offer the following link for your perusal, The Skype Guide for Network Administrators. »www.skype.com/security/guide-for···mins.pdf
It is always nice to explore subjects such as this on a public forum so that professionals, your colleagues and members of the academy can read and judge for themselves in a rational, objective, dispassionate manner who makes sense and who does not. Embarrassing for some participants,yes, but good for one's soul. 
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ZOverLord
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join:2003-10-20
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4 edits | reply to Agrajag
Here is the Skype Guide for Network Admins:
»www.skype.com/security/guide-for···mins.pdf
Edited: We posted this at the same time, sorry
So I will add a recently published paper about how Skype uses "UDP Hole Punching" which is no secret, and can be controlled by anyone to NOT become a super node:
»www.heise-security.co.uk/articles/82481
Supernodes Quote (From Link Below):
"There are several ways to prevent Skype from becoming a supernode:
Beginning with Skype 3.0, an explicit switch is provided in the registry settings to allow the disabling of supernode functionality.
Any computer hosted on a network that is behind a network address translation (NAT) device or restrictive firewall will disable supernode functionality.
Skype clients behind an HTTP or SOCKS5 proxy will not serve as supernodes."
How to prevent being a Supernode ("University Example"):
»www.skype.com/security/universities/
Skype Security in General
»www.skype.com/security/
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76766337
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Riverside, IL
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My goodness gracious sakes alive, Fermi Lab states as I quoted , "Use of Skype on systems attached to the Laboratory network is not prohibited per se" They go on to show in very simple terms how to make sure that you are natted and thus incapable of becoming a SuperNode. Fermi Lab would be a prime target to become a Skype SuperNode with their fast computers and high speed access to the Internet and yet.........even Fermi Lab does not have a problem with people using Skype on their network as long as they are behind a firewall.
Something tells me that I trust the decisions of those who administer the network at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory. Of course, I could be wrong but uh...I don't think so.
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76766337
join:2004-09-26
Riverside, IL |  reply to ZOverLord
Thank you ZOverLord. Great minds, think alike. |
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Yippz Voip
join:2005-05-04
Atlanta, GA
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Is anyone using the Skype phone adapters they sell on Ebay. I won't link to someone's auction to give them visibility but these are $30 units, similar to Vonage's ATA, but these units have a USB plug to hook to your PC and a phone jack to plug in your home cordless phone(s).
Since you can now indeed use your Uniden TRU (oh, how I love them) or any other comfortable cordless phone with Skype at home, I'd say it's pretty darn close to comparing it's home comfort level with Vonage, SR or any VOIP provider...
Sounds like a much better option than an uncomfortable headset/mic or a USB phone that is tethered to the PC... |
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ZOverLord
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said by 76766337  :Thank you ZOverLord. Great minds, think alike. Well, I am a little Biased, I am a Skype moderator for all Skype Forums, a Skype beta tester, and a Skype developer partner, but I think it's important to provide the facts from the rumor 
My Skype name is TheUberOverLord :P
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ZOverLord
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I have 2 D-Link DPH-50U Skype adapters and they are great, you can even run it as a system service in the background, so that no matter who is logged on, or even if nobody is your phones will still be working.
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nonymous
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ
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said by 76766337 :My goodness gracious sakes alive, Fermi Lab states as I quoted , "Use of Skype on systems attached to the Laboratory network is not prohibited per se" They go on to show in very simple terms how to make sure that you are natted and thus incapable of becoming a SuperNode. Fermi Lab would be a prime target to become a Skype SuperNode with their fast computers and high speed access to the Internet and yet.........even Fermi Lab does not have a problem with people using Skype on their network as long as they are behind a firewall. Something tells me that I trust the decisions of those who administer the network at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory. Of course, I could be wrong but uh...I don't think so. Yes but they trust someone makes a mistake and then freeload. Thus free use to them . Great for them bad for the supernode user. So if all supernodes blocked? Would there be a survival chance for skype?
You are an investment banker. What other hidden talent are you alluding to in your post. Any real network experience? Phone experience? |
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76766337
join:2004-09-26
Riverside, IL
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Hi themew,
I agree the Uniden TRU's are very nice phones. I am familiar with the units which you are describing but I have not used same as they require the computer to remain on, also you would not have the Skype display functions on the Uniden TRU's. On the other hand if these points don't bother you then sure, I would give it a go.
Personally, I am planning to wait until the new Philips computer less DECT Skype phones hit the United States. I don't have first hand knowledge but I would expect that there will be several new computer less DECT Skype phone introduced next month at CES in Las Vegas. Why not lay low like an old hound dog in the tall weeds and wait and see if some new DECT Skype phone rabbits hop along at CES next month.
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76766337
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Riverside, IL
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said by nonymous :said by 76766337 : Yes but they trust someone makes a mistake and then freeload. You are an investment banker. What other hidden talent are you alluding to in your post. Any real network experience? Phone experience? Not much I suppose. I guess I am just your average run of the mill, polymath.
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ZOverLord
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Minneapolis, MN
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said by nonymous :said by 76766337 :My goodness gracious sakes alive, Fermi Lab states as I quoted , "Use of Skype on systems attached to the Laboratory network is not prohibited per se" They go on to show in very simple terms how to make sure that you are natted and thus incapable of becoming a SuperNode. Fermi Lab would be a prime target to become a Skype SuperNode with their fast computers and high speed access to the Internet and yet.........even Fermi Lab does not have a problem with people using Skype on their network as long as they are behind a firewall. Something tells me that I trust the decisions of those who administer the network at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory. Of course, I could be wrong but uh...I don't think so. Yes but they trust someone makes a mistake and then freeload. Thus free use to them . Great for them bad for the supernode user. So if all supernodes blocked? Would there be a survival chance for skype? You are an investment banker. What other hidden talent are you alluding to in your post. Any real network experience? Phone experience? Actually not true, there are many institutions, people who have decided it is ok to be a Supernode. So the Supernode p2p concept is not mistake based. In fact, in most cases, today, it is hard to become a Supernode accidentally.
I think it's important to remember Skype was/is a p2p design, and because of this the Supernode concept is a natural part of the design.
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76766337
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said by ZOverLord :said by 76766337 :Thank you ZOverLord. Great minds, think alike. Well, I am a little Biased, I am a Skype moderator for all Skype Forums, a Skype beta tester, and a Skype developer partner, but I think it's important to provide the facts from the rumor My Skype name is TheUberOverLord :P Ah yes kind sir, your reputation precedes you. Allow me to introduce myself, I am Ocelot (Muppetmaster's protagonist)on the old forum which I joined on Sun 30-November 03. I am now known as Condor on the new forum as I was too lazy to change my name. If you could help me reclaim my identity that would be quite nice.
Thank you for coming to my aid as I battle for truth, justice and the Skype way.
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ZOverLord
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2 edits | Ah, lol. Yes I know you well  I grew up in Evergreen Park Il, so now I know why we both try to present the facts so hard :P
P.S. Ping me on the name change, will get it taken care of
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nonymous
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ
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Last question if no free loading supernodes existed would Skype exist?
Or my opinion cost at least at this price point. Plus unlimited to me may bleed money. To PSTN they must pay some money if unlimited is truly allowed to a pots line in the us.
The price will go up if they are to go on. Or is it just lose money take over the market then raise prices once you get your wanted market share.
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nonymous
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nonymous
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said by 76766337 :said by ZOverLord :said by 76766337 :Thank you ZOverLord. Great minds, think alike. Well, I am a little Biased, I am a Skype moderator for all Skype Forums, a Skype beta tester, and a Skype developer partner, but I think it's important to provide the facts from the rumor My Skype name is TheUberOverLord :P Ah yes kind sir, your reputation preceeds you. Allow me to introduce myself, I am Ocelot (Muppetmaster's protagonist)on the old forum which I joined on Sun 30-November 03. I am now known as Condor on the new forum as I was too lazy to change my name. If you could help me reclaim my identity that would be quite nice. Thank you for coming to my aid as I battle for truth, justice and the Skype way. What I wish to say I will not. Just thanks for a laugh. |
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