bogey780
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| reply to Neyland
Re: Great, but what he fails to mention..
'But didn't Bellsouth put themselves into this situation by not being willing to invest heavily in it's own infrastructure the way cable has done?'
BellSouth has more deep fiber then any other major telecom in the US... or so I've been told. BellSouth hasn't deployed their next gen solution yet. |
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deadzoned
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Baton Rouge, LA
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| reply to Alpine
said by Alpine  :That I certainly won't disagree with. They've got a significant infrastructure disadvantage against the cable cos, pure and simple. That's why they're always playing catchup FIOS doesn't have that disadvantage, but even in utopia FIOS is going to take years to get a decent deployment and market share. This is the biggest reason I support the ATT/BellSouth merger. The two apart, especially BellSouth, are going to have a next-to-impossible time finding the resources to catch-up with cable. This is even more true when DOCSIS 3.0 finally rolls out. Adam Heh, the reason that they are feeling the pinch now is because the Tele-Co's have made a lot of silly decisions based on their current bottom lines rather than thinking of the future and spending money to make money like most successful businesses do. 
I have no sympathy for them and I also question whether or not the mergers will have any affect on the future if the do go through. I don't see how merging 2 major phone companies that individually have shown that they are not willing to make good decisions will form one gigantic phone company that will suddenly make all the right decisions and do all the right things.
AT&T has their crappy U-Verse stop gap measure that they are trying to roll out in a limited fashion. Bellsouth has nothing that I can see that they are offering other than their normal DSL stuff.
It's real easy to understand - if you want to be competitive at all in the cable tv market and offer triple play services you have to be willing to spend the money on the proper technology and not waste time, money, and resources on outdated technology that will have to be upgraded almost immediately after you start adding more than a few subscribers to the system. FTTC vs. FTTH...
Heheh, I can't wait to see what they decide to do when they run out of bandwidth!
Verizon is the only company on the Tele-Co side doing it the right way. It's sad really, as the answer is right there to see but the AT&T''s and Bellsouth's of the world refuse to acknowledge it and instead look towards a merger to save them. It's pretty odd thinking. |
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garagerock
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Louisville, KY | reply to Alpine
Wow, nice way to ignore the entire issue. Hey, Ford says that the clients with "Tier 1" credit can get 0% financing...does that mean their products are better than the rest of the market? Hardly. |
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signmeuptoo
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If anybody's statements are idiotic, it is your's towards Rob. Insulting proves it. |
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| reply to morbo
said by morbo :i've said it before, but i also envision a time in the not too near future, where telcos (mainly AT&T), will cry for more corporate welfare to help them build their infrastructure. the american public must resist this plea. I envision a similar thing, however, in mine it goes a little like this:
Public/Gov: Why o why is our broadband so slow? Why are we ranking so low on the broadband list compared to other countries? Why do we have slow and outdated broadband?
AT&T: We tried deploying our [slow as a snail] Uverse service by taking a shortcut and not going FTTH to save us money but the only thing it did was cost us more.
Public/Gov: Well then you better have 100% deployment of FTTH by 2020!
AT&T: We can't afford it. We spent all our money on Uverse and gifts to politicians who are now dead.
Public/Gov: That's not our problem.
AT&T: The hell it isn't! We're a regulated company. blah blah blah, we need more gov funding.
Public/Gov: Ok ok! How much? $100 million? You have to pay it back to us 150 years. Deal?
AT&T: NO DEAL! We want $100 million + the ability to be the ONLY HSI provider in the area. Give us what we want, or we keep America behind. In exhchange, we'll promise to bring FTTH to "selected markets" in 2 years and 100% deployment of "Internet Services" within the next 10(0) years. Further, we'll give a free swimming pool to each county.
Gov: OK Deal!
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repeat every 50 years.
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morbo
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the problem with telcos is that they have failed to properly invest in their infrastructure. as a result, they are gushing blood from various orifices--some would say dying--and it's their own fault. you reap what you sow.
so instead of actually spending money and investing in their future existence, they try the (relatively) cheap tactic of buying politicians. ok. AT&T is also try to roll out some garbage known as uverse, that i am still amazed is being "deployed". Verizon seems to be the only one that wants to survive by biting the bullet and deploying their only hope for a future.
i've said it before, but i also envision a time in the not too near future, where telcos (mainly AT&T), will cry for more corporate welfare to help them build their infrastructure. the american public must resist this plea.
my comment about you being a shill sounds harsh. however, after reading your comments on this board for some time i think it is justified. |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
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But didn't Bellsouth put themselves into this situation by not being willing to invest heavily in it's own infrastructure the way cable has done? On top of taking large amounts of tax money to provide a network that still hasn't materialized. Then it seems they want to push TV/Voice/Data over the same network that can't compete with just voice and data. All the while trying to get Congress and the FCC to 'Believe me this time I really mean it' on national franchises and net neutrality. All the while trying to make the claim that we're not like cable companies, we shouldn't be held to their regulation.
Well, IMO if both the cable industry and the telephone industry both offer the same services then they both should be held to the same regulation.
I feel that no town should be able to ask for ridiculous things in their franchising agreements, however, I certainly am not in favor of a national franchise that would allow any company to come in and A) cherry pick and B) add poles or other unsightly 'improvements' where current lines are buried and C). tell local governments what taxes and fees they can charge for local franchises.
I also don't feel that if a local government has a referendum and chooses to build out it's own plant that no company either cable or telephone should be allowed to do anything about it. Especially if those companies aren't willing to offer the services in the first place.
I'm not pro cable or teleco. I've owned both and go to where the best deal that meets my service requirements. I'm rather fluid. The only thing I trust is that the company is out to make money and however they feel they can make it they will. They aren't out for me so I have to be.
I like FIOS. I think it's the correct way for the phone companies to be going in. I like the competition I'm seeing in markets that it's in. I think Verizon has it right and time will prove it so. I don't like the cherry picking though. I understand it, but just don't like it.
The original poster is correct though, Bellsouth is only telling part of the truth. What they're leaving out is they've seen an increase of customers upgrading that have the ability to upgrade. Of their customer base, how many have the ability to from the entry level speed to their top tier? |
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Alpine
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| reply to Neyland
That I certainly won't disagree with. They've got a significant infrastructure disadvantage against the cable cos, pure and simple. That's why they're always playing catchup
FIOS doesn't have that disadvantage, but even in utopia FIOS is going to take years to get a decent deployment and market share.
This is the biggest reason I support the ATT/BellSouth merger. The two apart, especially BellSouth, are going to have a next-to-impossible time finding the resources to catch-up with cable. This is even more true when DOCSIS 3.0 finally rolls out.
Adam |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| reply to Alpine
Not bias against telecos... but am still waiting on my 6.0 service to be avilible... Of course it seems that by the time it is availible, the cable offering will eclipse it.
/shrug
I don't get it. Seems all Bellsouth seems to be able to do is play catch up. |
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Alpine
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join:2000-01-11
Atlanta, GA | reply to signmeuptoo
I have "no right to defend the telcos," huh? I've heard all manner of idiotic things around here over the years, but this might take the cake.
Thanks for the comic relief...
Adam |
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signmeuptoo
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| reply to Alpine
It doesn't matter, if what he said is true, that BS has failed to get over 70% of their customers availability for the top tier, then they DO suck, deal with it.
America is horrendously behind most of the rest of the highly developed world, and there is no damned good excuse for it. In fact, the telcos have been doing everything they can to buy off congress and senators and prevent a fair market. Whenever a county tries to set up its' own service, the telcos come with shooting with all guns blazing with their big time power lawyers and lobbyists.
You have no right to defend the telcos. No, they aren't the epitome of evil, but they are very guilty of plenty of wrong doing to the client base, and NOTHING can distract from that truth. Sometimes pushing for the "shiny side up viewpoint" is just childish when in the face of a realistically pathetic situation.
You are just wrong, Alpine, so spare me your "yawns" and sarcasm.
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Alpine
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| reply to morbo
*Yawn* Is that the best you can do?
Same tired old garbage directed at the 1% of people on this board who aren't completely biased against the telcos. They couldn't possibly have any valid points because they disagree with you, right?
Please, if you're going to get diarrhea of the mouth, at least come up with something original.
Adam |
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morbo
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don't mind one of the resident telco shills. |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| reply to Alpine
said by Alpine :Wow. People around here really can't just take good news at face value. Always has to come with some sort of complaint or whine. Jeeze. That's also not true. I know at least three or four people personally that CAN get 3.0+, but just need the 1.5. Adam I'm pretty sure I've earned my right to complain.
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