ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Lol
Way to go!
I hate it when cities try to limit progress like trying to block Walmart from opening shop, stop McMansions, etc. |
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ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
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 ·VOIPo
| said by ninjatutle  :Way to go! I hate it when cities try to limit progress like trying to block Walmart from opening shop, stop McMansions, etc. Well, I hate it when these large corporations think they are above all the laws in place and ignore them. If you don't like it then do something to get it chenged. Otherwise, until that change occurs, OBEY THE LAW!!!
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DaBavarian
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join:2006-02-22
Saginaw, MI |  reply to ninjatutle
I thought IPTV was an "information service" just like all of the VOIP providers that don't have to pay into all the fees that the traditional copper line phone companies pay into. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to ninjatutle
Yeah, just you wait until it's your business they want to destroy, or your house they want to seize land next to and bulldoze and set up 24/7 operations on.
There's a reason cities need zoning laws. |
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dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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| reply to ninjatutle
Yep! My city slammed the door on Walmart! 
As for AT&T... I hope they get majorly screwed for doing this! 
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Mega DETH
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join:2003-08-20
Watertown, WI | reply to ropeguru
No matter what side your on, it's the consumer once again that gets fuked over..
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squid7
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join:2006-09-02 | reply to ropeguru
That is the point...whether or not the cable TV franchise law there applies to AT&T and their IPTV service.
The court will decide. |
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HyPeRbAnD
join:2006-01-07
Stow, MA
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said by DaBavarian :I thought IPTV was an "information service" just like all of the VOIP providers that don't have to pay into all the fees that the traditional copper line phone companies pay into. I think that is the argument from att, that IPTV is not the same as traditional TV. |
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ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
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| said by HyPeRbAnD :said by DaBavarian :I thought IPTV was an "information service" just like all of the VOIP providers that don't have to pay into all the fees that the traditional copper line phone companies pay into. I think that is the argument from att, that IPTV is not the same as traditional TV. And if it is an information service, there MUST be a ruling before you go potentially breaking the law. Everyone these days only what to look at what is on the surface from these issues, ie. quick roll out of IPTV, and refuse to look deeper and see what other issues may be caused by allowing all of this to happen.
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squid7
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1 edit | The burden is on the state to prove AT&T is doing wrong, not AT&T to prove they are doing right. And as for information service, the FCC already ruled that information services aren't "cable". This was a win for the cable companies who wanted their HSI to not be regulated like their CATV products were. |
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TheGhost
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join:2003-01-03
Lake Forest, IL
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 ·AT&T U-Verse
·Comcast
| As long as AT&T doesn't try to shortcut the placement of the boxes in the rights of way. I thought that was a big issue with some communities. In order for at&t to deliver their UVerse they need to upgrade equipment, which includes placing more of the large cabinets. The cities should be able to place demands on at&t in regards to those issues. |
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VariableARK
join:2003-03-17
USA | reply to squid7
It all just comes down to the government wanting their slice of the pie. Why can't they government just leave us all alone? |
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squid7
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join:2006-09-02 | Because gov't, like any business, exists to grow and they can't grow unless they take. |
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GOLFnSUN
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Avalon, NJ
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said by squid7 :The burden is on the state to prove AT&T is doing wrong, not AT&T to prove they are doing right. And as for information service, the FCC already ruled that information services aren't "cable". This was a win for the cable companies who wanted their HSI to not be regulated like their CATV products were. The city loses and AT&T wins in this case. And you are right. AT&T gets to do its rollout and the city has to prove they shouldn't have done that. Not the other way around.
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marigolds
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
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said by DaBavarian :I thought IPTV was an "information service" just like all of the VOIP providers that don't have to pay into all the fees that the traditional copper line phone companies pay into. No, IPTV is not an information service.
Here is the heart of the Vonage decision:
``capability for generating, acquiring, storing, transforming, processing, retrieving, utilizing, or making available information via telecommunications.´´ 47 U.S.C. § 153(20). The process of transmitting customer calls over the Internet requires Vonage to ``act on´´ the format and protocol of the information. 47 C.F.R. § 64.702(a).
IPTV as AT&T offers it would not clearly qualify (that would take a court to decide). YouTube would be a much closer example that would qualify.
In the absence of a finding that a service is an information service, it is a telecommunications or video service and the appropriate laws apply.
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phattieg
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Winter Park, FL
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said by ropeguru :said by HyPeRbAnD :said by DaBavarian :I thought IPTV was an "information service" just like all of the VOIP providers that don't have to pay into all the fees that the traditional copper line phone companies pay into. I think that is the argument from att, that IPTV is not the same as traditional TV. And if it is an information service, there MUST be a ruling before you go potentially breaking the law. Everyone these days only what to look at what is on the surface from these issues, ie. quick roll out of IPTV, and refuse to look deeper and see what other issues may be caused by allowing all of this to happen. : Sorry Sir, your IPTV U-Verse account had to be shut off due to the lawsuit being lost for franchise rights in your area. The good news is we can now offer DSL up to 100Mbps.
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ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
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| said by phattieg :: Sorry Sir, your IPTV U-Verse account had to be shut off due to the lawsuit being lost for franchise rights in your area. The good news is we can now offer DSL up to 100Mbps. Then at that point it would be time for me to go complain to my franchise authority and do something about it. Until then, they need to follow the rules.
I guess you are one of those that drive over the speed limit, because you think the posted speed it too slow, and think the "man" is just out to get you because you were not following the rules.
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