gh4456
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA
1 edit | Way Behind EV-DO
With 3 major carriers using EVDO (Verizon, Sprint, Alltel) - Cingular is way behind. When these 3 companies all have sharing agreements, their product will be far superior to what Cingular can offer alone. |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA | Excuse me, but Alltel is not a major carrier. It borrows Verizon's network more often than none. If we flip the coin and claim that Suncom is a major network, then you have Cingular, T-Mobile and Suncom that are not about to just give up and die. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
 ·T-Mobile US
1 edit | reply to gh4456
said by gh4456  :With 3 major carriers using EVDO (Verizon, Sprint, Alltel) - Cingular is way behind. When these 3 companies all have sharing agreements, their service will be far superior to what Cingular can offer alone. First and foremost AllTel is anything but a serious carrier, let's not talk utter nonsense here, OK?
You only have Sprint and VZ's EV-DO against HSDPA.
First Cingular, similar to Sprint but unlike VZ is giving here VERY CONSERVATIVE numbers - here, in Downtown NYC, probably one of the busiest spots I have a regular 1-1.2Mbit any time of a day - and it's my TyTn, not a card which would be typically a tad faster with less latency.
Secondly Cingular is not only typically faster than Verizon (as it should be actually obvious since this week Rev A upgrade that only brought VZ to close to Cingular) but also has a non-restrictive policy unlike VZ.
Third the current Cingular equipment can scale up HSDPA to 14Mb/s without upgrades, Cingular only needs more backbone to support it.
In other words Cingular is just as much as way behind as much as AllTell is a major nationwide carrier. (Hint: BS  )
PS: coverage IS somewhat still behind VZ or Sprint, don't get me wrong but that's obvious, I think. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | I agree.. the Option GT 3.6 card already being sold runs HSDPA Class 6 at upto 3.6 Mbps. |
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j33333j3j33
@spcsdns.net
| reply to kamm
Actually, Alltel has significant EVDO rollout coming in January. It is only is certain states, but in terms of area, it is huge.
»alltel.com/business/enhanced/mob···tate=nat
Sprint and Alltel have DO agreements while Verizon does not, so Sprint/Alltel have the greatest advantage of all carriers. |
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gh4456
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA
1 edit | reply to kamm
Your attempt to counter my argument with who has a better product is flawed.
said by kamm :PS: coverage IS somewhat still behind VZ or Sprint, This is my argument exactly. I am not saying EVDO is better than HSDPA, but you take 2 major carriers (removing Alltel) - and you get a sharing agreement between them, and you win handsdown for most people who need data services.
Does Cingular have a better product? Well thats up in the air, but with this sort of technology, the bigger the better. With Sprint and Verizon's networks, and decent flow of funds to improve and upgrade, I think you will see them win. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
2 edits | said by gh4456 :Your attempt to counter my argument with who has a better product is flawed. You had no specific argument whatsoever, there's nothing to counter.
said by kamm :PS: coverage IS somewhat still behind VZ or Sprint, This is my argument exactly. I am not saying EVDO is better than HSDPA, but you take 2 major carriers (removing Alltel) - and you get a sharing agreement between them, and you win handsdown for most people who need data services.
Does Cingular have a better product? Well thats up in the air,
For you, perhaps but apparently the rest of the world disagree with you...
but with this sort of technology, the bigger the better.
Umm what? Why is that? And if it's true then EV-DO is close to death considering the overwhelming majority of the world uses HSDPA.
With Sprint and Verizon's networks, and decent flow of funds to improve and upgrade, I think you will see them win.
Hardly. They will have to invest way more than Cingular just to keep up with HSDPA once Cingular gets the bakcbone, let alone EV-DO broadband service is still behind Cingular's HSDPA in many ways. Sprint has nice speeds but their call quality was the most cr5aptastic on the Northeast where I tested.
And we didn't even count the 900lbs gorilla, T-Mobile, who's about to start its HSDPA in 6-8 months... |
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jeeeadddd
@spcsdns.net
| reply to en102
I have this card and it is awful. The antenna must be popped out to get a signal. I've also lost the antenna (but found it). Don't get this card.
Problem with Cingular is they are hiding that many of these markets only have UMTS, not HSDPA. UMTS is notably slower than HSDPA. Ping times are also very sporadic compared to EVDO.
I'm sticking with Sprint EVDO for now. RevA currently outperforms HSDPA.
Compare results here...
»/archive/spcsdns.net
»/archive/mycingular.net
»/archive/myvzw.com |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| reply to verolom
said by verolom :Excuse me, but Alltel is not a major carrier. It borrows Verizon's network more often than none. If we flip the coin and claim that Suncom is a major network, then you have Cingular, T-Mobile and Suncom that are not about to just give up and die. actually, when it comes to rural coverage, Alltel has the largest footprint. Dont get me wrong, I am not defending them, they are a crap carrier...but I'm not going to deny the truth. When you are roaming in the boonies with your verizon phone, alltel is providing that coverage. |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | reply to gh4456
Who cares what they are sharing. When you are sharing turds, you still have turds.
EV-DO is dead tech. When you are maxed out at 3.6Mbps Cingular will be trucking along at 14.4Mbps. |
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jeeeedddd
@spcsdns.net
| reply to en102
I have this card and it is awful. The antenna must be popped out to get a signal. I've also lost the antenna (but found it). Don't get this card.
Problem with Cingular is they are hiding that many of these markets only have UMTS, not HSDPA. UMTS is notably slower than HSDPA. Ping times are also very sporadic compared to EVDO.
I'm sticking with Sprint EVDO for now. RevA currently outperforms HSDPA and Sprint has the largest broadband network.
Compare results here...
»/archive/spcsdns.net
»/archive/mycingular.net
»/archive/myvzw.com |
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gh4456
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA
1 edit | reply to kamm
When has the world decided what the US uses? If that were the case we would all be on GSM. As for EVDO, well apparently you missed this »EVDO Rev. C Gets a Sexier Name
But who cares, they will probably both die out to WiMax  |
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gh4456
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA | reply to inteller
What...
»EVDO Rev. C Gets a Sexier Name |
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googoogoogo
@spcsdns.net | reply to inteller
Huh? EVDO RevC can go to 280Mbps if the carrier supplies enough backbone. |
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cmslick3
join:2004-05-24
Joliet, IL
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to gh4456
said by gh4456 :When has the world decided what the US uses? Actually there is a major world wide push, backed by the FCC, to get most all the cellular type services pushed up to the 2100Mhz band. The current bands are becoming very crowded with public services and they need more. This would have huge advantages for people who travel because their phone would work everywhere! |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| reply to gh4456
said by gh4456 :When has the world decided what the US uses? If that were the case we would all be on GSM. Umm but YOU brought up the quantitative argument, not me...
Or you missed the part when it said rat labs? You know in labs many nice things happen - but 90% of them never gets even manufactured, let alone deployed.
My point was that Cingular already HAS a 14Mb/s equipment in place. Heck, my phone is already capable to go as high as 3.6Mb/s!  EV-DO providers have nothing similar yet.
But who cares, they will probably both die out to WiMax |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| reply to gh4456
Oh please, stop with this imaginary new standard.
You are keep linking a laboratory result whereas Cingular's real life deployment is capable for 14Mb. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | reply to jeeeedddd
said by jeeeedddd :
RevA currently outperforms HSDPA Usually we don't even bother to answer Anonymous Cowards but here's an exception: stop spreading BS. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| reply to jeeeadddd
said by jeeeadddd :
I have this card and it is awful. The antenna must be popped out to get a signal. I've also lost the antenna (but found it). Don't get this card.
Problem with Cingular is they are hiding that many of these markets only have UMTS, not HSDPA. UMTS is notably slower than HSDPA. Ping times are also very sporadic compared to EVDO.
Stop spreading these ignorant BS. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to kamm
said by kamm :Oh please, stop with this imaginary new standard.You are keep linking a laboratory result whereas Cingular's real life deployment is capable for 14Mb. With one user per tower lol.  |
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