asgfda
@rr.com | reply to Hangmn
Re: If you have nothing to hide.
right on. The 'if you're not hiding something then you shouldn't be worried' argument is bullshit. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to encrypt traffic (privacy, anyone?). |
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Rexter
YeeHaw
join:2002-11-17
cloud 9
| reply to brianiscool
Since you have nothing to hide, end me your bank account, and routing number. I just want to make sure that they are legit, since you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't have an issue with this, right. While your at it, I'll take your user name and password for your email. I just want to have a look at your email. What do you have to loose?
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kahunanull
join:2006-05-28
Portland, ME | reply to DaSneaky1D
Actually, Amazon's S3 service failed miserably this season when Amazon's own deals led to their services crashing when the XBOX 360 special went live. The "instant bandwidth, and processing power" never materialized and POOF there went Amazon. |
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wilburyan
join:2002-08-01 | reply to brianiscool
Hiding what I am doing has nothing to do with it... When I encrypt my overall download and upload speed doubles. |
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lucky644
Premium
join:2002-02-04
| reply to brianiscool
said by brianiscool  :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. Uh...wow?
Since when should I have to openly show everything to everybody?
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| reply to brianiscool
I agree with that fully. Users should be getting something for free if they are using a paid service via bittorrent where they give up their upload bandwidth for the business. But that doesn't give ISPs the right to get to choose the business models of other businesses. That's monopoly control at it's finest. |
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xsiddalx
join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
 ·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to SinNombre
Never arbitrary.
Generally:
a) The ISPs violate peering agreements (costs money)
b) The ISPs have to purchase more bandwidth (costs money)
c) The ISPs are concerned with lawsuits (costs money)
d) The ISPs have other more nefarious reasons (they are selling voice services, video services, streaming music services)
In the case of d) once they can identify a way to get a cut of the profits of the providers of such services, a b and c will come back into play in descending precedence (IMO).
Long term...think of the Internet as cable TV...it's gonna suck, except for the people that aren't paying extra to talk with fluff! (think usenet/irc vs broadband reports pay to post) |
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xsiddalx
join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to TKJunkMail
tch...
When did ISPs begin purchasing asymmetrical connections?
The only reason upload speeds are generally restricted it due to the business model. People using the internet are like television watchers...we "pull more content" than we "deliver". Bittorent (and skype) attempt to change that.
Without the "spare" upload capacity, the economics of "web hosting", "spam serving", "pr0n distribution" would change drastically. Cynical as I may be, I presume the largest of the publically traded companies are using the upstream for "business class" type services that are relatively legitimate.
In the end, the first ISP (telco/cableco) with the cajones to declare internet access "Port 80" and POP3 will be the one that has declared the "mom and pop and their high school kids" their market. It is coming, along with all of the government privacy mandates...think how long the ratings on tv took and how much more google infiltrates the home than tv ever could...
Why ain't the answer just charge everyone for bandwidth? |
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xsiddalx
join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to meister_sd
Getting around the throttle of ISPs is becoming mandatory because the ISPs continue to refuse to specify real limits on bandwidth consumption (mostly because they don't have a real ability and there are no real compelling reasons for them to cut off their cash flow).
Effectively...they are subsidizing the high usage customers with the low usage customers at the moment...give it time...the billing systems are still developing. |
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xsiddalx
join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to brianiscool
and quit sealing your envelopes when you send a post!
Heck..google cellular eavesdropping...
Back in the 90's there must have been a heck of a lot of illegal conversations occuring for the government to step in and make eavesdropping illegal (414-1 vote).
Maybe there are other reasons for privacy? |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
 ·Cox HSI
·Speakeasy
| reply to brianiscool
said by brianiscool :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. So, when you use the US Mail, you only send postcards?
-tom |
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jazzy_
join:2004-01-27
Charleston, SC | reply to danclan
It truly is a scary world when everything we get and do becomes a privilege to us from the powers that be. |
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kinabrew
join:2002-02-01 | reply to TKJunkMail
4 - Find out what should be charged to the worst 10% to pay for infrastructure and upgrade costs and then charge that to everyone.
That's what they'll really do. |
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exocet_cm
I am the law
Premium
join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
clubs:  
·Cox HSI
·Suddenlink
 ·Cingular Wireless
·AT&T Southeast
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to patcat88
said by patcat88 :Doboy doesnt, he said he will not have any official torrents and its upto the community to do it unofficially, it hasnt. GT does have official, nicly seeded, torrents and they run their own tracker. Ok, it is GT then. I forgot which artist I downloaded music from. DI.fm plays their music all the time.
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severach
join:2002-09-12
Jackson, MI | reply to BIGMIKE
>It's just a ********* piece of paper!
It's not even that any more which is why it shouldn't be thrown around. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to exocet_cm
Doboy doesnt, he said he will not have any official torrents and its upto the community to do it unofficially, it hasnt. GT does have official, nicly seeded, torrents and they run their own tracker. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to brianiscool
said by brianiscool :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. BT encryption does nothing to stop the RIAA, it just stops any middle men from seeing what you do. In the end, you have to make connections to other untrusted IPs, nothing will protect you from that, dont like it, get off p2p. |
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| reply to brianiscool
Well that your proof of a clueless user is evident with such a statement. It nearly never fails.... some one..... has to make ...... the same nitwit-ed comment when this subject comes up.
For the umpteenth time, there ARE legitimate uses of bit torrent BESIDES grabbing copyrighted material their authors do not want downloaded. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to brianiscool
You know, I actually agree with you. Bandwidth concerns have become a thing of the past since Amazon started offering their S3 service.
True, you have to pay, but the burden is no longer on your customers to support.
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