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TKJunkMail
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 Some observations on the iProvo report

State law and City policy do not allow a cross-subsidy of the City’s telecommunications utility, and transactions between the telecommunications fund and other city funds has been based on market loans, not subsidies.
A rose by another name smells as bad. All they have done is find a loophole in the law. If they can't pay their loans to other city funds, it is still a subsidy and the taxpayers will still foot the bill.
The Reason report’s financial conclusions were made with data available at the end of the City’s 2005 fiscal year, when the project was only partially constructed. Newer audited data is now available, which challenges Mr. Titch’s conclusions.
In other words, the Titch report was accurate based on the data available when it was published. But we now have new data that says his report is no longer up to date. Well, Duh!!
And it is critical to recognize that the iProvo project is a pioneering effort. But as the descendants of those who pioneered America, the West and Utah, the residents of Provo understand, that although every pioneering effort has challenges, meeting those challenges with courage can bring great rewards to the pioneers as well as future generations.
In other words - we are screwed up, but we have a good excuse - we are blazing a new trail and that justifies the pain. I pity the Provo taxpayers, because they will soon share the pioneer's pain - in the wallet.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

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The Reason report’s financial conclusions were made with data available at the end of the City’s 2005 fiscal year, when the project was only partially constructed. Newer audited data is now available, which challenges Mr. Titch’s conclusions.
In other words, the Titch report was accurate based on the data available when it was published. But we now have new data that says his report is no longer up to date. Well, Duh!!
In other other words, the Titch report gives a distorted picture of the project because it uses year old data. I suppose if the report had been released last year, it would have been accurate; why did Titch release an inaccurate, outdated report? Because he wanted to give a misleading picture? Well, Duh!!

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said by nasadude See Profile :

In other other words, the Titch report gives a distorted picture of the project because it uses year old data. I suppose if the report had been released last year, it would have been accurate; why did Titch release an inaccurate, outdated report? Because he wanted to give a misleading picture?
He based the report on the INFO available at the time. The new data was NOT available to Titch until AFTER the report was published. Is that so hard to understand?
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not hard to understand, just hard to justify. He knew (or should have known) at the time the project was not completed.

I guess I would look at it as if someone reported a football score in the 3rd quarter as the final score - those facts don't really tell you who won the game, just how the game is going in the 3rd quarter.

This appears at the beginning of the Titch report:
But for all the optimism that the city had found a better formula in wholesaling, the experience remains a warning to other cities that municipalities, even when they take a wholesale role, cannot compete with the private market.

Titch purports to be telling us the final score when the game ain't over yet.


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said by nasadude See Profile :

not hard to understand, just hard to justify. He knew (or should have known) at the time the project was not completed.

I guess I would look at it as if someone reported a football score in the 3rd quarter as the final score - those facts don't really tell you who won the game, just how the game is going in the 3rd quarter.

Titch purports to be telling us the final score when the game ain't over yet.
Oh, I get it now. No one can comment on the iProvo project until it is completed - say in 10 yrs or so? Sorry Charlie, it doesn't work that way.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Oh, I get it now. No one can comment on the iProvo project until it is completed - say in 10 yrs or so? Sorry Charlie, it doesn't work that way.
Dam, did I say that? I'll swear that's not what I wrote.

Let me interpret: Use of misleading information to lead readers to a misleading conclusion is quite intellectually dishonest. Actually, use of correct information in a way that leads one to a misleading conclusion is just as dishonest.

How is the FIOS rollout doing according to the same criteria used to judge iProvo? I don't honestly know, but my gut feel is that FIOS would be judged a failure, just like Titch judged iProvo a "failure".

I have no problem with anybody commenting honestly on any muni broadband project. I do have a problem with astroturfing efforts to discredit muni broadband deployments.

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Titch, and his buddy Joe Bast, have been "experts for hire" for a long time now...

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