Alpine
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join:2000-01-11
Atlanta, GA | Typical... Pure speculation, which is all the net-neutrality "problem" is these days.
Can we stop the whining until there's actually a problem? That'd just be great (even though I know it's a pipe dream...)
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major marco
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Stepford, CA
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| Re: Typical... said by Alpine  :Pure speculation, which is all the net-neutrality "problem" is these days. Can we stop the whining until there's actually a problem? That'd just be great (even though I know it's a pipe dream...) Adam Right. Pure whining and no problem whatsoever. Let's just wait until after the telcos and/or cable cos. start extorting money for unimpeded content on the Net, and then we can worry about it. The subject matter is just all hypothetical anyway. I don't mind telling you, Adam, that ignorance like yours is spectacularly breathtaking. Have you ever actually had any thoughts independent of Fox News?
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join:2001-08-27
Hattiesburg, MS
| Government is not the answer. said by major marco :said by Alpine :Pure speculation, which is all the net-neutrality "problem" is these days. Can we stop the whining until there's actually a problem? That'd just be great (even though I know it's a pipe dream...) Adam Right. Pure whining and no problem whatsoever. Let's just wait until after the telcos and/or cable cos. start extorting money for unimpeded content on the Net, and then we can worry about it. The subject matter is just all hypothetical anyway. I don't mind telling you, Adam, that ignorance like yours is spectacularly breathtaking. Have you ever actually had any thoughts independent of Fox News? Your notion that the government is the answer to all your problems is "spectacularly breathtaking." Yeah, government knows how to get things done in an efficient manner. That is freaking hilarious. If you're not happy with the policies of your provider, choose another one. Get a clue, buddy. | |
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major marco
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| Re: Government is not the answer. said by EngineerDave :Your notion that the government is the answer to all your problems is "spectacularly breathtaking." Yeah, government knows how to get things done in an efficient manner. That is freaking hilarious. If you're not happy with the policies of your provider, choose another one. Get a clue, buddy. All my problems? Um, no, Dave. The discussion here is Network Neutrality. Period. Go back and reread the title of this thread and ensuing commentary. I'll wait.
Secondly, your ISP has zip to do with NN. If telcos & cable cos. et al. control the pipes as to what content consumers see, the ISP will be the very least of your worries. Try educating yourself with the discussion at hand before you chime in with ignorant comments. Buddy.
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Hattiesburg, MS | Re: Government is not the answer. I am positive that I know plenty about net neutrality. I also know that you should change your signature to "The Troll." Take your socialism and shove it. | |
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major marco
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| Re: Government is not the answer. said by EngineerDave :I am positive that I know plenty about net neutrality. I also know that you should change your signature to "The Troll." Take your socialism and shove it. Did you come up with that all by yourself. Or did you have check the TPM o'the day on Fox and/or Crush Lardbaugh? Poof. Dave the tech is no more.
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join:2001-08-27
Hattiesburg, MS
| Re: Government is not the answer. Troll,
I don't see how your response has anything to do with net neutrality. The best way to make an impact with a corporation is through their pocketbook. If business slows, obviously, they are going to take measures to remedy the problem. It's simple. My ISP and/or telco and/or cable company is interfering with my VOIP, I get another provider. If it is as big of a problem as you think it is, the providers will lose customers very quickly. | |
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envoid
join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA | Re: Government is not the answer. True, best way to get at them is through their pocketbooks, but what if you have no choice and either go with them or have no broadband/Internet access? | |
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join:2001-08-27
Hattiesburg, MS
| Re: Government is not the answer. Well, I would have to evaluate how big of an issue I have with said provider. If I truely have only one choice for broadband, and they aren't offering what I want, I suppose I would make a part-time job of bugging the crap out of them until they rectify the situation (i.e. call them, email, write letters). What would you do? | |
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join:2000-08-16
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| Re: Government is not the answer. said by EngineerDave :Well, I would have to evaluate how big of an issue I have with said provider. If I truely have only one choice for broadband, and they aren't offering what I want, I suppose I would make a part-time job of bugging the crap out of them until they rectify the situation (i.e. call them, email, write letters). What would you do? Hmmm, you buggin' them, while they're really buggin' you...that's alot o'buggin! Bah, humbug. | |
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clubs: | hilarious. yes, tell us more about how you bugging the crap out of them will make them change their national policy of screwing over consumers and ecommerce with their net domination policy. wait--wait--let me get comfortable. ok. | |
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join:2001-08-27
Hattiesburg, MS
| Re: Government is not the answer. Again, if it was a big enough problem for me and I had no other provider to choose, I would harass them everyday until the situation was rectified. If there are enough people complaining, they will rectify the situation. The majority of consumers will be complaining to their only provider if it is as big of a problem as the network neutrality crowd claims it could be. I think the majority of consumers want a reliable product at a reasonable price. Also, I don't think adding the government in the mix is a good means of achieving either. | |
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join:2005-07-08
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| Re: Government is not the answer. well I'm fairly sure that if you were an upstart company who had invested your life savings in your e-business, you would have a slightly different opinion about this matter. With no neutrality, your site could be blocked or slowed to the point of being useless based only on the fact that your product or service competes directly with a company that has the resources to pay the extortion. | |
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morbo
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clubs: | Re: Government is not the answer. his answer? just keep bugging them! eventually they will HAVE to respond to him.
never underestimate the power of grandiose thinking... | |
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kcir
join:2005-07-30
Butner, NC | Why the worry of net neutrality ? There is real broadband competition, right? If you can't get what you want from one provider go with another...  | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Re: Typical... said by kcir :...There is real broadband competition, right? If you can't get what you want from one provider go with another... I'll let someone else respond to your claim that there is "real competition" in broadband--starting perhaps with those who can't obtain any broadband (save horrendously expensive satellite service) currently.
As for the ability to switch, there are at least two major problems.
First, this isn't like stopping at Jewell or Safeway if Kroger's doesn't have the sausage you're looking for. Broadband is a much more long-term commitment where you won't be switching providers every week. Accordingly, each provider has more market power with its subscribers than a vendor who has only customers who can easily visit competitors.
Second, this is really about the creation of a market structure. If we see a market where ISP service is subsidized by the content providers (as local telephone was subsidized by long distance) then we also see a market where the larger providers have extensive interlocking relationships and it's much harder for new, smaller providers to break into commerce because they don't have the "heft" to play at the same table. This applies to both new content providers (who would have to "pay to play" and get acceptable delivery from ISPs) and new ISPs (including, particularly, wireless providers) who would be at a disadvantage because they would have such small initial subscriber numbers that the large content providers wouldn't want to bother paying them the "traffic preference fees" that they would pay large ISPs.
The real question is whether you want to see a large, independent provider marketplace or you want to see one where most of the content is controlled by fewer players who have and maintain cozy financial relationships (including joint ownership) with major ISPs.
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| said by Alpine :.... Can we stop the whining until there's actually a problem? That'd just be great (even though I know it's a pipe dream...) Adam actually, you're absolutely right. Telecom and broadband in the U.S. is screwed for many years to come because of the policies of the FCC.
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