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leXicon5
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Apple to charge to unlock 802.11n

WOW....this ought to put some of your panties in a bunch:
»www.appleinsider.com/art ··· ?id=2398

The Dv8or
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Pretty ballsy, and how convenient to blame the government. Why not charge 99 cents and make it a download in iTunes?

hyperjoe
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considering many who complain about an apple product and fill out class suits because, "days later, the better and newer came out and we were not told", I can understand the charge.

MacWin
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At least they have a valid reason.

"I’m not going to claim to understand this next part, which really just makes no sense to me at all, but the claim Apple’s making is that it _can’t_ give you the 802.11n-unlocking software for free. The reason: the Core 2 Duo Macs weren’t advertised as 802.11n-ready, and a little law called the Sarbanes-Oxley Act supposedly prohibits Apple from giving away an unadvertised new feature for one of its products. Hence, said the Apple rep, the company’s not distributing new _features_ in Software Update any more, just _bug fixes._ Because of Sarbanes-Oxley. If this is an accurate statement of Apple’s position, which as an attorney (but not one with any Sarbanes background) I find at least plausible, this is really crazy."

»backstage.ilounge.com/in ··· c2d-mac/
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Meh, its only $4.99, dunno what people are getting so freaked out about.

sporkme
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I call BS on the SO excuse. I've downloaded plenty of software from Software Update that has enabled features that were not there before.

bbarrera
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said by sporkme:

I call BS on the SO excuse.
SOX is causing ripples all over the universe, the excuse isn't that far fetched. Unfortunately I deal with SOX at work and it is a PITA.

Let's parse the 'excuse' for a solution...
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According to the editor, the fee stems from a law called the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, which supposedly prohibits Apple from giving away an unadvertised new feature of an already sold product without enduring some onerous accounting measures.
The solution is for Apple to advertise new yet currently unavailable features. Then no problem with later enabling those features via software update.

MacWin
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"Unfortunately I deal with SOX at work and it is a PITA."

Makes me glad I'm with a private company.

M A R S
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Lame garbage...

Daniel8802
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its coming from appleinsider ....

leXicon5
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said by zeromips:

Meh, its only $4.99, dunno what people are getting so freaked out about.
You do know the crowd that you're referring to right? They don't flinch when the iPod they want is $499 but whine and moan about a product they have not seen yet...
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If it's a choice between not giving away any more new features and risking Federal "pound me in the ass" prison, management will kill or charge for the features every time.

Time to hoist the Jolly Roger for third party 'n' users, I think.

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I'm in the software business. I can see the reasoning here. It could very well stem not so much from SOX (as it's called), but also existing contracts with gov't pricing schedules. This is a legitimate concern.

SOX rules prohibit you from selling "future features" with an existing sale. For example, if I were to sell you a piece of software, I have to represent what it does TODAY. I cannot give you "future" features. Most Software companies work around this with maintenance fees. You basically cannot sell what you do not have.

So, my guess is Apple is going to sell this as a new feature. Therefore, they can't give it away.

Stupid, but blame the accountants, Enron, MCI, and all the others that SOX came from.
said by MacWin:

At least they have a valid reason.

"I’m not going to claim to understand this next part, which really just makes no sense to me at all, but the claim Apple’s making is that it _can’t_ give you the 802.11n-unlocking software for free. The reason: the Core 2 Duo Macs weren’t advertised as 802.11n-ready, and a little law called the Sarbanes-Oxley Act supposedly prohibits Apple from giving away an unadvertised new feature for one of its products. Hence, said the Apple rep, the company’s not distributing new _features_ in Software Update any more, just _bug fixes._ Because of Sarbanes-Oxley. If this is an accurate statement of Apple’s position, which as an attorney (but not one with any Sarbanes background) I find at least plausible, this is really crazy."

»backstage.ilounge.com/in ··· c2d-mac/
This is a feature, something
russotto
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Advertising unavailable features is ALSO a violation.

MacWin
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"Advertising unavailable features is ALSO a violation."

Shhh the people on the front page thread might hear you and then what would they be able to bash Apple about.

Michieru2
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What's that???

Maggs
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Easy enough

tell Application Airport

{give me my draft N}

end tell

Someone will find a way.

Thinkdiff
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I'm sure there will be third party apps that do this in no time. Apple just needs to charge to cover their asses. Look at the iBook G3/G4s for example. They were not advertised to have Extended Desktop, but a OpenFirmware hack was released that enabled it without any problems.

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Bah im sure the day the new AEBS hits the market, that enabler will be spread via Bit Torrent in a flash.

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then how did directv get away with sellng its hr-20 hddvr that had the connections for ota,network,ect... but did not work because they needed to be enabled via software updates once they got the outher bugs fixed.

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Normally, a company would just force your to buy a new draft-n card for $30~40, if not more.

$5 is reasonable to let Apple recover the costs of transaction and accounting and keep the share holders happy as well.

Don't listen to what front-pagers have to say: they have no idea what they were talking about.

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Of course not - nobody else's opinion matters but the zealots, right? And if this were Microsoft's happenings, would the people in the MS forum expect everyone to keep quiet? HELL no, there would be 15 pages of comments of "M$" bashing.

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said by furlonium:

Of course not - nobody else's opinion matters but the zealots, right? And if this were Microsoft's happenings, would the people in the MS forum expect everyone to keep quiet? HELL no, there would be 15 pages of comments of "M$" bashing.
Amount people who bash, more MS fans than Linux or Apple fans combined...probably at 1000:1 ratio...

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said by tokevino:
said by furlonium:

Of course not - nobody else's opinion matters but the zealots, right? And if this were Microsoft's happenings, would the people in the MS forum expect everyone to keep quiet? HELL no, there would be 15 pages of comments of "M$" bashing.
Amount people who bash, more MS fans than Linux or Apple fans combined...probably at 1000:1 ratio...
Hey - that ratio sounds about right for the amount of Windows users vs. Linux/Apple users

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said by furlonium:
said by tokevino:
said by furlonium:

Of course not - nobody else's opinion matters but the zealots, right? And if this were Microsoft's happenings, would the people in the MS forum expect everyone to keep quiet? HELL no, there would be 15 pages of comments of "M$" bashing.
Amount people who bash, more MS fans than Linux or Apple fans combined...probably at 1000:1 ratio...
Hey - that ratio sounds about right for the amount of Windows users vs. Linux/Apple users
Nope: Mac has roughly 4 to 5 % right now, linux has about 1%, could be higher or lower; so let's say 6% of Mac and Linux users combined, that's a ratio of 15~16:1. (94:6)

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said by tokevino:

Nope: Mac has roughly 5 to 6 % right now, linux has about 1%, could be higher or lower; so let's say 6% of Mac and Linux users combined, that's a ratio of 15~16:1. (94:6)
From the commercials I've seen, aren't you Mac people supposed to have a sense of humor? Maybe pick up on a little sarcasm? Right on, jolly-o!

You can count me in with the 94% and the 1%, as I dual boot with Slackware.

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said by furlonium:
said by tokevino:

Nope: Mac has roughly 5 to 6 % right now, linux has about 1%, could be higher or lower; so let's say 6% of Mac and Linux users combined, that's a ratio of 15~16:1. (94:6)
From the commercials I've seen, aren't you Mac people supposed to have a sense of humor? Maybe pick up on a little sarcasm? Right on, jolly-o!

You can count me in with the 94% and the 1%, as I dual boot with Slackware.
I guess I do miss-count myself....

I am in the 94%, the 5%, as well as the 1%.... Oh, wait! I have 2 94%s, 2 5%s, and 2 1%s....

lol
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Frankly, it's analogous to Telcos charging a "Regulatory Recovery Fee". It is totally made up, doesn't relate in any demonstrable way to real cost, and/or costs are so tenuously associated and nebulous, they amount to zilch. Furthermore, "n" capabilty is an existent feature of the hardware that has been previously disabled, not added, and the hardware has already been paid for. It's like wanting to charge an additional fee to purchasers because a new use has been found for any existing, already purchased product. How many purchasers of handheld "massage" devices are going to be charged for the unadvertised x-rated capabilities inherent to the hardware when users apply it to the "right" software patch?

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said by ross7:

Frankly, it's analogous to Telcos charging a "Regulatory Recovery Fee". It is totally made up, doesn't relate in any demonstrable way to real cost, and/or costs are so tenuously associated and nebulous, they amount to zilch. Furthermore, "n" capabilty is an existent feature of the hardware that has been previously disabled, not added, and the hardware has already been paid for. It's like wanting to charge an additional fee to purchasers because a new use has been found for any existing, already purchased product. How many purchasers of handheld "massage" devices are going to be charged for the unadvertised x-rated capabilities inherent to the hardware when users apply it to the "right" software patch?
IT is IT, accounting is accounting. You didn't advertise it? then the feature didn't exist. Just like you always expense R&D costs regardless what you did.
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