jaymerProfessional Fixer join:2003-05-26 Milltown, IN 1 edit |
jaymer
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2007-Jan-28 2:09 pm
[northeast] Manhattan Apartment Building Wired for FiOSI was visiting some friends in Manhattan this morning and my friends mentioned that a bunch of Verizon guys had been in the building doing work. They said there were new cables in the garbage chute. They had also put up new crown molding in the hallways (which is definitely wiring channel). I looked in the closet, snapped some pics of the junction boxes and checked to see if FiOS was available at their address, it isn't yet. But I was sure to tell them to subscribe to it the instant it became available. I am so jealous :-D The building was located at 89th and York. The FONS junction box in the garbage room. I love how they left the manual for the junction box on top of it. Since there are no wires leaving this junction box I am assuming that nobody is hooked up to the service (On this floor atleast). The fiber coming up through the floor, two cables come up, one goes to the junction box, one continues up. This was on the 17th floor in a 35 floor building. This is an example of the molding/wiring channel which they installed (I am assuming to bring fiber to the individual residences. There are about 8 apartments on each floor. They could have done a much better job installing it, as there are some pretty large gaps in the conduits in some places which could have been much smoother. As I am not a FiOS subscriber (I live in Rochester, NY for most of the year, which is Frontier Telephone country). I have no idea what the status of FiOS is in Manhattan. I thought you guys would be interested in this anyways. Comments, Questions, Concerns? -Jamie |
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wow 35 floor building, that's going to have a lot of wiring. I wonder, is it one ONT for the whole building? |
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cent office tech to jaymer
Anon
2007-Jan-28 7:08 pm
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there is a VZ bigwig that lives there. 97 Street CO will be one of only CO in manhattan to get fios. internet by summer, video by year end. |
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TzaleProud Libertarian Conservative Premium Member join:2004-01-06 NYC Metro |
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What I find funny is that the building would allow them to install crown molding to make FIOS installation easy... If I was the owner of that building, I would demand Verizon pay me for putting that stuff up on the walls. That is just making the job easier for them and if they did a bad job, it detracts from the building's appearance.
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Anon
2007-Jan-28 8:45 pm
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verizon has contractors that install the steel conduits between the floors and the crown mouldings with channel runs behind them. Vz techs are supposed to place all the cables and mount all the fons box's.Usually one box every other floor.To get to the apt,the crown mouldings have to be popped off and an individual fiber run in the channel back to the fons box,then replace all the mouldings.I've seen where the techs usually run fiber to just outside the customers door (wheather they order it or not),so that the entire floor is ready to go. |
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jaymerProfessional Fixer join:2003-05-26 Milltown, IN |
jaymer
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2007-Jan-28 9:20 pm
Overall it looked pretty darn clean, I was impressed. Sure the crown molding could have been done a little better, but overall I wouldn't care if I could get FiOS (But I am sure some of the building's residents do!). But in terms of the wiring channels which were run (In the closet), the installation of the conduits, and the mounting of the junction box, it all looks top notch!
I am a networking major at RIT (hence why I spend my time in Rochester) and I thought it was very clean.
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TzaleProud Libertarian Conservative Premium Member join:2004-01-06 NYC Metro 1 edit |
Tzale
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2007-Jan-28 11:23 pm
said by jaymer:Overall it looked pretty darn clean, I was impressed. Sure the crown molding could have been done a little better, but overall I wouldn't care if I could get FiOS (But I am sure some of the building's residents do!). But in terms of the wiring channels which were run (In the closet), the installation of the conduits, and the mounting of the junction box, it all looks top notch! I am a networking major at RIT (hence why I spend my time in Rochester) and I thought it was very clean. -Jamie Yeah, but what I was trying to say was that Verizon isn't really doing a "favor" for the building's owner by drilling holes and putting up their own moldings. They basically are doing this to make a profit (duh) and they should be respectful of other's property. It was really more of a blanket statement, I don't know if it applies to this case, but in general, Verizon doesn't have a "right" to install FIOS and setup shop, it has a privilege. Of course, this may be a plus in many resident's eyes... I know I would enjoy having a FIOS connection or access to more competition. :-0 -Tzale |
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Tzale,
If you live in a condo or co-op building the last thing you are concerned with is how the crown molding in the hallways looks. If you are, I feel sorry for you. If there are no conduits to pull fiber through on a 35 story building, pardon VZ if they got permission from the board/owner to run the wires they did. I live in a condo building and the town has FIOS, if you think it's easy to get VZ to come in and wire a building, you got another thing coming. I like what VZ has done with this building in Manhattan and I am going to contact the engineer in Nassau county that sent two different plans to my building manager to see if the pictures above are one solution of the two given. It's been an uphill fight to get this stuff presented to the condo board for approval. Remember, VZ is getting approval of their plan to wire the building so it's no surprise to anyone that holes are drilled and crown molding is installed. The board of that building approved it and what you see in the pictures is the end result. Those of us in MDUs should only be so lucky. |
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jaymerProfessional Fixer join:2003-05-26 Milltown, IN |
jaymer
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2007-Jan-29 12:38 am
Yeah, I think it looks good too. It could be a lot worse, I spent my entire weekend in NYC cleaning up rats nests of cabling for friends, so this install was night and day.
I would not have a problem one bit with the job they did, but I am sure some people would. A lot of people don't give a crud about the fact that its the "latest technology", they want their apartment buildings to look perfect.
I can't wait to go over there this summer and see it working :-D
-Jamie |
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#1,the mouldings look great and unless you could have every tenant home at the same time on every floor to have holes drilled through floors and ceilings to run all the cables to the bsmt this is the fastest way to get fios service setup. #2,this method is basically what cable tv did except they used small plastic tracks with snap on covers.The crown moulding now hides both utilities. #3,if the building owner doesn't want fios service in the building,then he can say NO,(although i think he might get some flack from tenants).#4,VZ can only do this work with permission of the building owner. I have a feeling that the building owner doesn't walk away "empty handed". |
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Anon
2007-Jan-29 12:43 pm
Well, RCN did MDU's in New York City as well. Mine has the same deal as this one right now except the lines were drilled thru the stairwells. The difference however is that my building Im in now is fiber to the basement, then coaxial and pots quad shielded RG6UQ to the apartments.
In this case it looks like its fiber end to end. Those FONS boxes are smaller than the boxes we have on each floor. |
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oroperPatriots Rule join:2004-06-01 Beverly, MA |
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It would be nice if they could somehow use the existing coax to get it done. |
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This looks just like a Cablevision MDU run, including the moulding. Nice pics. |
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Please reduce the size of the photos. |
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quibbly Premium Member join:2003-02-07 Sugar Land, TX |
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I agree, the cable job is actually good. If you have never ran network (cat-5/6 or fiber), you would not realize how hard it can be in an apartment building. If you don't have a drop down ceiling or conduit, this is the only way to run the cables.
As for using the existing coaxial, how do you expect that to happen? The cable is used for cable TV in the apartments or is the property of the cable provider. It seems that nowadays, everyone wants something better and takes one step forward, but complains and takes two steps back. |
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I agree, the cable job is actually good. If you have never ran network (cat-5/6 or fiber), you would not realize how hard it can be in an apartment building. If you don't have a drop down ceiling or ocnduit, this is the only way to run the cables.
As for using the existing coaxial, how do you expect that to happen? The cable is used for cable TV in the apartments or is the property of the cable provider. It seems that nowadays, everyone wants something better and takes one step forward, but complains and takes two steps back. |
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John Galt6Forward, March Premium Member join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp |
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How about some fire-stopping in those conduits to stop fire from spreading from floor to floor? I do believe that it is necessary to extend the steel conduit 18" into the space and THEN be fire-stopped. At the very least some rock wool should in stuffed in the pipes during the construction period. |
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said by cent office tech :
there is a VZ bigwig that lives there. 97 Street CO will be one of only CO in manhattan to get fios. internet by summer, video by year end. Can you confirm that somehow? by IM to me, if you prefer, would be lovely. I imagine all you need to tell me is WHICH verizon bigwig lives there. |
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KearnstdSpace Elf Premium Member join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ |
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looks like a good install for whats basicly a retrofit to an old building to support fiber services. if i built any apartment or condo complex today id build with future services in mind and have conduits(with fiber friendly bends) to a small closet in each unit. this way future services could do a pull with ease |
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said by John Galt6:How about some fire-stopping in those conduits to stop fire from spreading from floor to floor? I do believe that it is necessary to extend the steel conduit 18" into the space and THEN be fire-stopped. At the very least some rock wool should in stuffed in the pipes during the construction period. The trash closet may be considered part of the trash chute shaftway thus not requiring any firestopping. |
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xonet to Tzale
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2007-Jan-30 2:19 pm
to Tzale
said by Tzale:Yeah, but what I was trying to say was that Verizon isn't really doing a "favor" for the building's owner by drilling holes and putting up their own moldings. They basically are doing this to make a profit (duh) and they should be respectful of other's property. It was really more of a blanket statement, I don't know if it applies to this case, but in general, Verizon doesn't have a "right" to install FIOS and setup shop, it has a privilege. Of course, this may be a plus in many resident's eyes... I know I would enjoy having a FIOS connection or access to more competition. :-0 -Tzale Since when does Verizon (or anyone) do a favor to Apartment owners unless contracted "By the owners"??? This install adds value now to the landlord, as they can say, "We've HIspeed FIOS/FIOSTV on future leases and jack it up" And the crown moulding is just as much as if it were composite from Homedepot (I suspect it's Panduit brand). That is pretty nice install for the amount of nodes needed. Jeez. You want aesthetics and fiber? Try a nice packaging design of metamucil! I bet you are one of those that is never happy. Even when it's free, you'll complain. |
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GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems Guy Premium Member join:2001-10-29 Indianapolis, IN |
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said by John Galt6:How about some fire-stopping in those conduits to stop fire from spreading from floor to floor? I do believe that it is necessary to extend the steel conduit 18" into the space and THEN be fire-stopped. At the very least some rock wool should in stuffed in the pipes during the construction period. I was thinking the same thing, although as also mentioned here code for that type of closet might not require it. I would think bp would indicate some putty or wool in there would be a good idea though. The thing that struck me though in that closet was that the conduit ends so close to the floor. I would bet odds are pretty good someone will hook that cable on something someday. Guess I would protect it a tad more than it looks like they are. Have to love the challenges of the retro-fit. K. |
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TzaleProud Libertarian Conservative Premium Member join:2004-01-06 NYC Metro |
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said by figure 8:#1,the mouldings look great and unless you could have every tenant home at the same time on every floor to have holes drilled through floors and ceilings to run all the cables to the bsmt this is the fastest way to get fios service setup. #2,this method is basically what cable tv did except they used small plastic tracks with snap on covers.The crown moulding now hides both utilities. #3,if the building owner doesn't want fios service in the building,then he can say NO,(although i think he might get some flack from tenants).#4,VZ can only do this work with permission of the building owner. I have a feeling that the building owner doesn't walk away "empty handed". I simply said that it isn't their responsibility to have to go out of their way for Verizon. If I owned the building, I would make them pay me to drill holes. Hell, in a few years they'll be making thousands of dollars per month off that one building. The owner probably won't get anything. -Tzale |
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said by xonet :said by Tzale:Yeah, but what I was trying to say was that Verizon isn't really doing a "favor" for the building's owner by drilling holes and putting up their own moldings. They basically are doing this to make a profit (duh) and they should be respectful of other's property. It was really more of a blanket statement, I don't know if it applies to this case, but in general, Verizon doesn't have a "right" to install FIOS and setup shop, it has a privilege. Of course, this may be a plus in many resident's eyes... I know I would enjoy having a FIOS connection or access to more competition. :-0 -Tzale Since when does Verizon (or anyone) do a favor to Apartment owners unless contracted "By the owners"??? This install adds value now to the landlord, as they can say, "We've HIspeed FIOS/FIOSTV on future leases and jack it up" And the crown moulding is just as much as if it were composite from Homedepot (I suspect it's Panduit brand). That is pretty nice install for the amount of nodes needed. Jeez. You want aesthetics and fiber? Try a nice packaging design of metamucil! I bet you are one of those that is never happy. Even when it's free, you'll complain. Yeah, go hide under your anonymous mask. I don't give two shits about what the fiber looks like... I simply said that if I owned a multi-million dollar building in Manhattan, NY, I would not be so quick to allow Verizon to drill holes and change the appearance of the building. Of course I would probably allow them to do it, but don't forget that they will be making millions of dollars over the future decades while the owner probably gets nothing from the deal. It might be a "plus" right now, but in five years or less... I doubt it will matter since every building will probably have FIOS. Some people can be assholes on here. I make one frigging statement and you got to go all apeshit on me like I am criticizing your mother. The truth is that building has major $$$$ signs in VZ's eyes and it is only fair for them to compensate the owner too, if he requests it. I don't care if Verizon installs hot pink flamingos, hanging from the poles every thirty feet off their fiber lines... I just want FIOS. The thing is, for some people FIOS isn't as "godly" as we make it out to be on this forum... I mean, we're fantasizing about a frigging ISP. lol. I really need to get a life, along with everyone else who posts in this forum. That includes the people who read this. It is a great service, but just because VZ says we'll install FIOS, that doesn't mean you should sacrifice your first born and whip yourself a dozen times every hour... -Tzale |
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Anon
2007-Jan-30 4:50 pm
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for J Galt- a lot depends on when this building was constructed. fire codes are always being updated but generally a two and half hour burn (through/out) factor is required for trash/compactor closets. the pictures do not show how the mouldings in the trash closet exit to the hallways. I would assume that there has to be an opening for the cabling to pass to the hallway. if there is an opening, that would be a fire code violation. trash closets are designed with the thought that fires in the closets and chute are a probability and that hardening is recessary. in the late 80's NYC had a trash chute fire in a high rise on fifth avenue that claimed several lives (residents). |
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Im shure verizon paid the owner off or has commision for everytime a customer gets lite up im shure they didnt do it 4 free. |
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rody_44 Premium Member join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA |
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one more vote here for a very nice installation. BUT, yes a fire violation. |
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jagged join:2003-07-01 Boynton Beach, FL |
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and before long we will hear about the deranged neighbor, that got dumped by his virtual girlfriend that turned out to be a big boned guy with penchant for eating chips and typing with oily fingers, that cut the fios cables |
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quibbly Premium Member join:2003-02-07 Sugar Land, TX |
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How can the install be a fire hazard when the install isn't complete? I'm for one not going to seal between floors until the job is completed. That is the last thing you want to do! |
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NymostwantedWho Cares? Premium Member join:2004-06-25 Bronx, NY |
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Seems like much progress is being done towards FiOs in MDU's. This gives some people, like me, hope, that one day, FiOs will be lit in their building. |
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