dadkins
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| Unlimited...
Most(if not all) ISPs advertise - Unlimited Internet Access, not Unlimited use.
In other words, you can be connected to the network forever if you wish, not download the planet.
Can anyone show me where it says, on *ANY* ad, where an ISP states Unlimited data transfers for residential services?
I have nothing to ever worry about myself, I don't light up a newsreader and try to download everything in alt.binaries.dvd. LOL!
Of course, YMMV,
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Loker
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| sometimes my bandwidth usage can get excessive (I think I was over 200 GB's one month) and I have yet to have any issues with Comcast....
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AnonProxy
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I would disagree, unlimited access is unlimited use. If you cap someones ability to download you are effectively stopping their use of the Internet.
How can one use the Internet if you can't "download" a web page. The page is viewed on your PC but much of the content id downloaded to your PC in the form of temp files, graphics, and all the neat little html junk.
How can one transfer e-mail if one can not download or upload the mail file?
Really they should just get rid of the word unlimited...it is a throw back to the days when you paid for hours in the old AOL dial up sense. |
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Nick
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| said by AnonProxy  :I would disagree, unlimited access is unlimited use. If you cap someones ability to download you are effectively stopping their use of the Internet. Actually, I'll disagree with your disagreement. Nobody is stopping your ability to download/upload content. They are simply reducing your ability to do so by creating a virtual "speed limit".
Perhaps a poor analogy, but I will try anyway. You buy a german sports car. The car itself has an electronic limiter preventing you from going over 130 mph even though if the limiter is removed you can go 150mph. Nobody complains about that. Similarly, the whole speed limit thing. Posted speed limit is 55mph around me, yet people go 70 and don't get pulled over. Some people choose to push their limits and go 80 and they DO get pulled over. Internet companies are really no different, they don't say "you can download 30 gigs a month...and we'll really let you slide at 40..but once you hit 50 we shut off your internet" they say you have unlimited access (which is true) and they try to throttle people who are significantly out of the bell curve.
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operagost
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| Number 1, you're talking about VOLUME and not SPEED. If we were using a closer analogy, they would throttle your connection speed down as you neared the limit. In addition, on highways we have speed limit signs so you always know what speed is allowed. ISPs would rather let the fiction of unlimited internet continue to encourage sales while setting secret limits. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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I'm connected ATM, I have been connected for nearly 4 years(barring computer restarts).
To me, that is Unlimited *ACCESS*.
I don't download every single file I see... there's no point in it!
Unlimited Use is just that, lighting up mega-downloads and running 24/7.
No one advertises that, sure as hell not Comcast!
Email?
If you are sending out email at a constant 384-768k(2mbps?), I sure as shit hope they terminate you!
I hate spammers!
If you are downloading hundreds of GB per month, then you are likely degrading the network for everyone.
I hope they actually cut your coax! Sorry!
I pay for Speed and 24/7 Access. I get both!
I am not paying for terabytes of data transfers.
That would cost a hell of alot more than $52.95 per month!
Everything here works "As Advertised". Connection is always up, always fast when I need it, and I always have access to it.
THAT is Unlimited Access.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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2 edits | reply to dadkins
I think a lot fewer people would have problems with the limited "unlimited" service if ISPs openly advertised their caps and explained their processes for throttling. The unscrupulous act of allowing customers to believe the facade of unlimited access data transfer and then smacking them down with caps and/or throttling tends to leave really bad tastes in consumers' mouths. Personally, I'm all for a 100/100 connection to the Internet if I know that I can download whatever and however much as I want up to a predefined and advertised cap (e.g. 50GB/mth, 100GB/mth, etc.). If I go over the cap, throttle me, disconnect me, or charge me more as long as I know in advance. Hell, bill me at the 95th percentile that most ISPs themselves are billed at. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to Loker
said by Loker :sometimes my bandwidth usage can get excessive (I think I was over 200 GB's one month) and I have yet to have any issues with Comcast.... Man you steal a lot of stuff. |
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | reply to AnonProxy
I have to agree. To me unlimited access implies unlimited use. If you have limited access, then you would have limited use.
I think to segregate access and use is an insult to peoples intelligence. |
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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Miami, FL
1 edit | reply to BF69
do you know what he could be transferring at all? It's Hell I probably use the same amount of bandwidth on simply downloading ISO's for my clients, damn updates or packages from respiratories. Hell I can't afford having tons of drives or CD's because then the crap is outdated a week later and I must re download burn and then transfer.
It's easier for me to simply download it to every machine. |
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Loker
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| yeah downloading windows updates on computers I repair/build can get rather large all on its own.....there are also a lot of video podcasts I download and what not....
trust me it is easy to get up there fast through legitimate means.... that said I do not think my average month ever breaks 100 GB's....
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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| reply to Stumbles
I'm connected right now.
That's access to Comcast's network.
I'm not using it until I hit "Post Now!" for this post, or go to a server somwhere and start a download or upload.
All of my various meters indicate that I am not "using" any bandwidth.
But, one of the indicators informs me that I am connected none the less.
Access and use is two totally different aspects of one's internet connection.
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fiberguy
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I am SOOOOO in disagreement with you!
You want to de-evolve? You WANT to go to a metered service JUST so you can know a limit? That's rubbish!
People who consume a lot of bandwidth know it. Not only do they know it, they often then brag about it and then follow it up by "but they told me it was unlimited.."
The system, the way it is, works like this (with cable that is) .. they look at the performance of a node. They see that if it slows down, they first look to why it slows down. If the use is normal and it's just people are using it and clogging up the node, then they have to look into a node split. Second, if it's a hog causing the bottlenecks, they eliminate the hog. And then when the hog is cut off and tries to play the game in return, they wind up walking away butt hurt like this guy...
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL_IrjQoLK0
(a guy that came here looking for sympathy a little bit ago)
People read what they want and walk away from something with what is convenient for them even when the answers are right in front of them. No where does it say "come eat all the data you can!" It is advertised to make things faster.. get things done quicker.. stuff like that. "Download music in an instant.." not "turn your computer on and have it download music non-stop".. that's where the "typical residential use" terms come in. But, those who choose to ignore that very important line, will.
So, to make broadband metered JUST to make those who like to be heavy user feel better about what they do, I'm very much against it.
The service is for residential use, period. Cable TV in general has always revolved around residential use. So long as DSL is out there, those heavy users can take the slower DSL option. If DSL isn't available, then well...? play by the rules of the provider. There is nothing out there that says 'please use the service as you want, it's your right!' .. because it's not.
And for the record, you say "they should just get rid of the word UNLIMITED".... got news for you... you have to go YEARS back to see that word.
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anomus
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Well Ive been DLing roughly 15GBs of stuff per day and Ive been doing it for several years now. I used to use TWC then they get ticked and try to "upgrade" my subscription after the 6month term expired. Then I switched to earthlink and do the same. Then back to TWC under a different identity. But now for the past year I use cantennas and several different sources for my DLing and it just goes on and on. I am pretty optomistic at this point that I will manage to download EVERYTHING eventually.  Neat huh? I especially like the anonimity I have from all those **aa meatheads that like to pick on poor folk. I cant see how they could ever knock on my door so I sleep real good. The way I see it if they want to missuse the legal system and bankrupt suspects into submission, then we should beat them over the head with annonomous cantennas. So head down to your local CompUSA or grocery store, and join the invincible army. After all, its the right thing to do. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by dadkins :In other words, you can be connected to the network forever if you wish, not download the planet. Very sensible read on the reality. Unfortunately, there are plenty of idiots on the internet that think because they have a fast connection, that gives them "THE RIGHT UNDER GOD AND THE LAW" to download full speed 24x7 even though they will never in a lifetime be able to read, watch, or listen to all they have downloaded. Even when the TOS says they do not have that right. Of course, these morons never read the TOS, so they claim ignorance as the excuse to do as they please. Then they are shocked and indignant when the ISP cuts them off.
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batterup
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clubs: | reply to fiberguy
The Cable Companies can't tell you the bandwidth limit as it depends on how over sold the node you are on is.
The Cable Companies also have apologist in every forum to protect their less then honest practices. |
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Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :I think a lot fewer people would have problems with the limited "unlimited" service if ISPs openly advertised their caps and explained their processes for throttling. The unscrupulous act of allowing customers to believe the facade of unlimited access data transfer and then smacking them down with caps and/or throttling tends to leave really bad tastes in consumers' mouths. Personally, I'm all for a 100/100 connection to the Internet if I know that I can download whatever and however much as I want up to a predefined and advertised cap (e.g. 50GB/mth, 100GB/mth, etc.). If I go over the cap, throttle me, disconnect me, or charge me more as long as I know in advance. Hell, bill me at the 95th percentile that most ISPs themselves are billed at. There are no caps as some areas may have a lot of room for users to download big files and other ones where are to meny users and thay will slow down other if they down load at the full spped of the link all the time. |
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Loker
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| reply to fiberguy
I agree with fiberguy.....Another problem with setting a cap is that many users will go right up to that cap every month and stop just before they cross the threshold....
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ
| reply to dadkins
said by dadkins :Most(if not all) ISPs advertise - Unlimited Internet Access, not Unlimited use. In other words, you can be connected to the network forever if you wish, not download the planet. Can anyone show me where it says, on *ANY* ad, where an ISP states Unlimited data transfers for residential services? I have nothing to ever worry about myself, I don't light up a newsreader and try to download everything in alt.binaries.dvd. LOL! Of course, YMMV, Thats because you already have everything thats on alt.binaries.dvd 
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batterup
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| reply to Loker
said by Loker :I agree with fiberguy.....Another problem with setting a cap is that many users will go right up to that cap every month and stop just before they cross the threshold.... So we should not post speed limits on highways as people will travel at that speed?
Verizon has no problem stating 5Gig a month is the limit for digital cell use. Secret limits are the practice of Cable Companies as it varies by node. |
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