pvsurfer
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| Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)?
Hopefully, this is an appropriate forum for this concern (if not, please advise)...
I am behind a Westell 327W wireless router and Verizon is my ISP. I have the router's firewall configured to its 'High' setting, yet it is not hiding my IP address! Consequently, some private information (City, State, Domain, etc.) is out there for all to see.
I realize I could hide my IP by using a proxy service, but is there no 'direct' way to hide my IP?
Thanks.
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BlitzenZeus
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Beaverton, OR | No, and why does it really matter? Unless your trying to do something malicious there is no reason to hide your ip address. |
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1 edit | said by BlitzenZeus  :No, and why does it really matter? Unless your trying to do something malicious there is no reason to hide your ip address. To me it's simply a matter of privacy violation. Besides which, I strongly suspect it triggers a lot of the spam emails I receive.
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said by pvsurfer :I realize I could hide my IP by using a proxy service, but is there no 'direct' way to hide my IP? Hiding your IP address on the Internet is much like giving a fake address when you place a pizza delivery order. Sure, you'll trick the other side, but you won't ever get a pizza.
In short, the only way to USE the Internet is to give people your IP address. Otherwise, just like the pizza delivery guy, they'll send the stuff you want (web, mail, etc) somewhere else and you'll never get it.
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BlitzenZeus
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It is your rDNS, which is set by your isp, and nothing is going to change that. Also your isp uses dhcp so your ip address changes will change own its own.
It is not an invasion of privacy, its a matter of a location of the node, and if it happens to fall in the same city where you live, that is the way it happens.
The only way the site your visiting could connect you to it would be to first have your e-mail address, and attach what ever information it can get, so it would need to have your e-mail address first. In reality the most spam comes from retailers, and resellers from online orders.
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| reply to pvsurfer
said by pvsurfer :To me it's simply a matter of privacy violation. Besides which, I strongly suspect it triggers a lot of the spam emails I receive. Without a public IP address, you can not connect to the internet. Your IP address does not in any way correlate to any email address you use. The only truly anonymous way to connect to the internet is to use a free wireless connection either from a legitimate source such as a public library, or simply by leeching from a neighbor (but don't forget to spoof your MAC address, since if you registered your wireless NIC for warranty purposes, the manufacturer knows your real MAC address).
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said by pvsurfer :I strongly suspect it triggers a lot of the spam emails I receive. For what it is worth, there is no way that someone is going to send you spam if all they know is your IP address. --
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1 edit | reply to BlitzenZeus
said by BlitzenZeus :In reality the most spam comes from retailers, and resellers from online orders. From what I have seen over the last six years or so is that most spam comes from email addresses that were posted on web pages or in usenet groups. I have a domain that I use only for giving out unique email addresses and have done some testing.
Edit: Well, unless you were referring to pron retailers reselling your address, yeah, that is probably another source but I didn't include that in my research 
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I nominate Daniel 's response as the definitive answer to the question "why can't I hide my IP address?".
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| said by dave :I nominate Daniel 's response as the definitive answer to the question "why can't I hide my IP address?". Yes, along with this:
said by BlitzenZeus :
It is not an invasion of privacy, its a matter of a location of the node, and if it happens to fall in the same city where you live, that is the way it happens.
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The day after I placed an order on amazon.com I was getting mortgage spam with my name, and current address... The funny part was it was obvious I had an apartment number in the address which they didn't check for.
It was the company who amazon placed the order through that sold my information to spammers, and the address was spam free before that event.
Yes, robots looking for e-mail addresses on web pages/usenet/etc are a huge problem.
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Hey, the pizza guy is at the door, and I didn't even order one. He said it was for some guy named Daniel.
Muahaaahaaa....
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pvsurfer
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| reply to BlitzenZeus
I usually learn a lot from this site and this thread wasn't an exception...
So thanks to all of you, I am enlightened and a special thanks to Daniel who also gave me an idea for dinner!
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brianiscool
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Lets just send some spoofed echo packets to a broadcast. Does this still work ? lol |
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BlitzenZeus
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That dynamic image never gets old when your dealing with paranoia  |
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| reply to TomR_in_MI
heres a quick explanation that might help...
»www.auditmypc.com/whats-my-ip.asp
behind a router, "usually" its at least hard to see your PRIVATE IP
to find what that is, go to a command prompt, and type
ipconfig
if it doesnt show up on this page (java required)
»www.auditmypc.com/ip-address.asp
then you are pretty damnn safe IMHO.
I run a political website, and ive had lots of people trying to hack me.
Actually, mine (private IP) shows up, any suggestions on how to prevent this ?
I am behind a modem and a router...
anyway, heres some more reading on internal IP...
»www.auditmypc.com/internal-ip.html
also, speaking of spam,
a bit off topic, but heres a great tool to bust the bots.
»www.auditmypc.com/freescan/antispam.html
robots scan this page and get bunches of bad email addys,
and links to more pages of bad email addys,
and their database of addys is worthless.
i have a link to this on my homepage so i can post my email addy there with no problems. |
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| reply to BlitzenZeus
said by BlitzenZeus :It is your rDNS, which is set by your isp, and nothing is going to change that. Also your isp uses dhcp so your ip address changes will change own its own. For a typical residential ISP, that is true. It is not however always true as is shown by this rDNS lookup for my static IP address.
Trying "234.0.134.66.in-addr.arpa"
Using domain server:
Name: atlngahp-pub-ns1.covad.net
Address: 64.105.202.138#53
Aliases:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 37290
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;234.0.134.66.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR
;; ANSWER SECTION:
234.0.134.66.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN PTR dcs-net.net.
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
0.134.66.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN NS ns4.covad.com.
0.134.66.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN NS ns3.covad.com.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns3.covad.com. 12719 IN A 66.134.75.38
ns4.covad.com. 20132 IN A 66.134.75.39
The generic rDNS return value would look something like "h-66-134-0-234.atlngahp.covad.net" had I not requested a custom PTR record for my static IP.
Of course the actual IP address 66.123.0.234 is still publicly visible as it must be for my connection to work, so the rDNS/PTR value still does not in any way hide an IP address, nor does having a static IP address.
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said by BlitzenZeus :That dynamic image never gets old when your dealing with paranoia On the other hand even the paranoid can be targeted.
What you see is sometimes also visible to others.
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freedom_rings
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said by BlitzenZeus:
"Unless your trying to do something malicious there is no reason to hide your ip address."
Lol, why don't you just let the police put a camera in your living room then? Your not doing anything wrong, right?
Hey, how 'bout letting your car insurance company put a gps tracking unit in your vehicle too? You never speed or break any traffic rules, right?
Maybe you could be the first candidate for a rf transmitting corneal inplant, so everything you do can be monitored right through your own eyes. After all your completely innocent of any possible wrong doing, right?
I value my privacy and won't be giving it up anytime soon. Just because someone values privacy doesn't mean they have anything to hide. Not everybody wants to sell their soul to the devil, clearly some people just don't give a sh!t though. |
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| said by freedom_rings :
I value my privacy and won't be giving it up anytime soon. Just because someone values privacy doesn't mean they have anything to hide. Not everybody wants to sell their soul to the devil, clearly some people just don't give a sh!t though.
You can always use some anonymous proxy which could easily be operated by the CIA who just wants to see what you're up to - or operated by some dipwad in Roumania who sniffs your traffic for personal information, user IDs and passwords
But you can even get around that. If you set your IP address to 127.0.0.0 you can get rid of that pesky identification...
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