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reccakun

join:2006-03-16
Brooklyn, NY

[OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to router.

Hi, all. I just order OOL Boost today and the download speed with excellent around 28-29Mbits if its directly connected to my computer. Once I hook it up to a router, the download speed dramatically decreases to around 14-15Mbits. I have tried it with 2 different branded routers but didn't help. Is the boost only works when directly connected from Modem to router? Or did I done something wrong? Any help will be appreciated.

GeekNJ
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join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

It should work fine through a router. What routers have you tried? If your router has SPI, turn it off and try again.
reccakun

join:2006-03-16
Brooklyn, NY
I tried it with a D-Link DI-524 and Belkin F5D7231-4. Also what is SPI? I don't see that option on the router settings.

Ken Peterson
Premium
join:2000-12-08

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by reccakun See Profile :

I tried it with a D-Link DI-524 and Belkin F5D7231-4. Also what is SPI? I don't see that option on the router settings.
I had this very same DLink router and it always slowed my OOL connection down quite a bit. The CPU in the router couldn't keep up with the speed, IMHO. Try the 624 series.

batterup
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This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
WoodyLI

join:2003-04-10

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
This used to be the case and Cablevision specifically forbid the use of routers in it's terms of service but I'd never heard of any capping as a result. That was several years ago and they gradually changed their policy to allow the use of routers but not provide any tech support unless you removed it. Now they fully support routers and even hook them up for you if you request it.

It is still a violation of the terms of service to share the connection with anyone beyond your household but considering the liability of doing that it's not a good idea anyway. You never can be completely sure that nice old man living next door to you isn't a serial child killer stalking kids online using your account. lol

Their boost service department will tell you that running a router will reduce your speeds. Some routers are faster than others. In any case, when you change from a direct connection to a router you should do a hard reboot of your cable modem since the modem ties itself to the MAC address of the first device connected to it.

You could connect to your computer directly and check speeds are good. Then spoof your computer's MAC address in the router and change the name of the router to hide it's identity. If you still have problems try updating the router's firmware or using a third party firmware that may be more optimized for higher speeds. Another option is to build your own router with an old PC and Linux using higher quality NIC cards but that is pretty advanced stuff and you have to run it 24/7 sucking down a lot more electricity than a small router.

StreetSpirit
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·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by WoodyLI See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
This used to be the case ... snip

Forbidding the use of routers when trying to diagnose a problem and ** FORBIDDING THE USE OF ROUTERS PERIOD ** are two very different things.

If you were diagnosing connectivity, would you rather troubleshoot with a router in the mix, or would you first ask the customer to attach his modem directly to a PC and see if connectivity is restored? I doubt you'd choose the former. I doubt anyone would not take the step and try ruling out the router.

So what in the world is wrong with this? If tech support years ago would require it.. Now I've been using OOL for what, 3 or 4 years now and I've never been told to disconnect my router. By the time I called in, IT WAS ALREADY DISCONNECTED, which is what proper troubleshooting procedure dictates.

Jeez Louise, now they're capping their routers. You and Batterup up with a new one daily.

Dave
WoodyLI

join:2003-04-10

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

To clarify. My first OOL subscription specifically stated that the use of a router to share the connection with more than one computer was prohibited. Cablevision reserves the right to disconnect service when in violation of the terms of service.

Please don't quote me out of context or box multiple quotes to throw people off and derail the thread. Before you quote me again or presume certain implications from this post please review my last post.

GeekNJ
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Waldwick, NJ

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

When did you get OOL? I got it in 2001 when it first became available in my area and there was no restriction on using a router.

I went to »www.archive.org and for optimumonline.com the first TOS link is under the Jan 2000 entry and there's no mention of routers in it.
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RickNY
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New York

said by WoodyLI See Profile :

To clarify. My first OOL subscription specifically stated that the use of a router to share the connection with more than one computer was prohibited.
The OOL terms of service have NEVER prohibited the use of a router. The only mention of this in the TOS (and still is there exactly as it was when the service first launched) is the section that states Cablevision is not responsible for "Any Subscriber who, 1. chooses to participate in the Optimum Online Service using other than a single, stand-alone Computer connected to the local segment, if and when this capability is offered"

Stop making blatant lies because it may seem convenient for your cause. Again, this was NEVER prohibited -- if it was ever stated, there would never have been any issue on how to answer the question when people came here asking if it was allowed.

jaa
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join:2000-06-13
·Optimum Online
·Vonage

said by WoodyLI See Profile :

To clarify. My first OOL subscription specifically stated that the use of a router to share the connection with more than one computer was prohibited. Cablevision reserves the right to disconnect service when in violation of the terms of service.

Please don't quote me out of context or box multiple quotes to throw people off and derail the thread. Before you quote me again or presume certain implications from this post please review my last post.
I have quoted your entire post, so I hope you don't see this as being "out of context".

Perhapse the OOL you subscribed to had such a statement in their TOS. It has never been in my TOS, or in the TOS of several other people who have replied here.

Again, probably just a case of your OOL being different that everyone elses.
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StreetSpirit
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Roslyn, NY
·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL

Hi WoodyLI See Profile,

That's kind of odd, as they have a promotion going for several years where they'll send you a freebie router. Anyhow, it's news to me. I've been on the network for just under 4 years and during the time I've had it, routers were never prohibited, but rather actually encouraged and shipped as freebies to many folks, myself included.

When troubleshooting of course you might be asked to disconnect your router and connect straight, but there was never anything in my TOS/AUP and I read them with a fine toothed comb, as I wasn't a happy camper with the capping and all and wanted to know what else was prohibited.

I remember reading the TOS very carefully and really don't remember anything about routers. Even the word "router" was never used in the TOS (and still isn't.) At or around that time I remember asking an OOL tech if it was alright to run ICS and he said sure and recommended I invest in a consumer router for sharing PCs. This was a few years back as the hot SoHo routers those days were the Linksys BEFSR series and the Netgear rebranded Zyxel Prestige's.

With BOOST, I use a Cisco 851. Someone on the forum uses it's bigger cousin the 871. They work well but are more expensive than the usual consumer routers.

Lastly, at least for the last two years if not longer, OOL has been running a promotion for new customers where they'll send you a Netgear WGR614 or an MP3 Player and charge you $29.99 for the first six months

I received my freebie Netgear WGR614_v6 router prior to the 15/2 bump-up in speed on regular OOL, so it served me well for about a year. When OOL bumped everyone up to 15/2, the router became a bottleneck (and maxed out at around 12mbps running wired/firewalls off.)

Why would a company prohibit something on one hand and turn around to offer it as a freebie in another. That's simply silly, and is not the case as far as I can remember.

Snapped 2007-03-02 19:43:32

»www.optimum.com/online/gwp.jsp


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PS Regarding the Netgear WGR614_v6, the promo is actually still there after all this time (they extend it at the end of each month as far as I can see.) : »www.optimum.com/online/gwp.jsp - Have your pick of a Lexmark Printer or a Netgear router. It used to be an MP3 player or a router. There was also an offer for six months of OOL $23.99 with a free router to entice current AOL users. So this comes as rather strange indeed.

StreetSpirit
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·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
It's one thing to go back and forth and joke when arguing with regular forum posters who are in the know, but it is despicable to reply to a person seriously seeking help with this type of comment.

To the original poster - as people have already mentioned, not all consumer routers can handle the downstream speed. We have a FAQ with a routers that have proven to work well with boost in the forum the links to which have already been posted.

Batterup, I'm really shaking my head man. This wasn't cool.

Dave

jaa
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said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
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batterup
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by jaa See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?

jaa
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·Optimum Online
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by batterup See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?
Verizon FIOS.
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StreetSpirit
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·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL

said by batterup See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?
LOL.

Should we rattle off a list of all the world's providers which offer speeds in excess of what a cheap, low memory, low horsepower consumer router can't handle?

Got about an hour?

Let's take one well known example and not look too hard.

Everyone has heard of the Swedish ISP, Bredbands Bolaget or BBB as commonly abbreviated.

Due to Sweden's highly pro-active broadband policy, they are able to offer 100/10mbit connections for 229 Swedish Kronen monthly [That's $32.41 at current exchange rates] . They also offering ADSL 2+ and VDSL service at speeds of 20 and 24mbit 2 and 3 mbit upstream respectively.

Let's see what the world famous BBB has to say about routers:


said by BredBandBolaget, a Swedish ISP (Accurate Translation) :
"Your computer & router:

Your computer and possible router influences largely the experience of yours Internet connection. A fast connection requires that your computer quickly handle the traffic that is sent and received. Older computers and operating systems can thereby offer a slow broadband experience, or not function at all. The use of a router can cause the same problem. Both computers and routers can cause bottlenecks.

Troubleshooting should begin with your connection always disconnected from your router and connected to your computer - to bypass your router, i e. connect computer direct to modem / broadband device, and then to reboot the computer.

Another possibility is to try the internet with another computer.

If your connection functions poorly or not at all, perform these steps:

* Disconnect possible router, switch and/or VOIP device. Connect the computer direct to the modem/the broad band levying device with a network cable.

* Check if connection functions without router and/or with new computer. If the connection functions up to speed without router, please refer to yours router support.
"





said by BredBandBolaget, a Swedish ISP (Original Text) :
Din dator & router:

Din dator och eventuell router påverkar i hög grad upplevelsen av din Internetuppkoppling. En snabb uppkoppling kräver att din dator snabbt kan hantera den trafik som skickas och tas emot. Äldre datorer och operativsystem kan därmed göra att bredbandet upplevs långsamt eller inte fungera alls. Användning av routrar kan orsaka samma problem. Både datorer och routrar kan låsa sig. Har du problem med din uppkoppling starta därför alltid om din router och därefter din dator. Hjälper inte detta ska du alltid koppla förbi din router, dvs. ansluta dator direkt till modem/bredbandsuttag, och därefter starta om datorn. Har du möjlighet, prova alltid med en annan dator. Skulle det fortfarande inte fungera med den andra datorn ligger felet troligtvis i själva uppkopplingen. Skulle det däremot fungera med den andra datorn ligger felet i din vanliga dator och inte i själva uppkopplingen.

Om din uppkoppling skulle fungerar dåligt eller inte alls, gör detta:

* Koppla bort eventuell router, switch och/eller telefondosa. Anslut datorn direkt till modemet/bredbandsuttaget med en nätverkskabel.
* Kontrollera om uppkoppling fungerar utan router och/eller med ny dator. Fungerar uppkopplingen utan routern, vänd dig till din routersupport. Fungerar uppkopplingen med annan dator, vänd dig till din datorsupport.




Look up any other ISP in the world which offers >15mbit connections in the world and I bet they have something very similar in their support literature.

jaa See Profile was quite correct. FIOS is limited by a cheap router - why do you think Verizon gives you an Actiontech built to their specifications? And why is it that the DLINK given out prior to the Actiontech had custom firmware which was "tweaked" (and perhaps extra ram/cpu enhancements) for FIOS speeds.

Perhaps Verizon's "free router" is motivated less by benevolence and more by having a standard device among the entire customer base which is known to keep up with the speeds and the techs can be trained to support. It's far easier to offer support for one router model than for every router make and model that a person might call in with.

What are you going to pick on next? The ethernet cable packaged with the modems?



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GeekNJ
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Waldwick, NJ

said by batterup See Profile :

Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?
No speed degradation if you have a capable router. Another lie from batterup. As proven by hundreds of posters including the individuals that responded below your lie.

Now can you show me another ISP besides Verizon, that reduces your Internet bandwidth when you watch a HD VOD on your TV service? Why is watching TV now impacting the Internet I'm paying for? Verizon is capping my Internet, deliberately proving me less bandwidth, when I watch TV. Go ahead Ivan, spin away.
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bohn

join:2006-05-30
Scarborough, ON

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

How about sympatico up in Canada. They limit your download speed to 3 megabits per second on vdsl. Then there's the caps of 30 gigabytes per month combined download plus upload no newsgroups email that never works the tv signal always pixelates you pay a fortune much more than in America.
Johndoe86753

join:2007-03-22
Naugatuck, CT
Your an idiot. The connection slows down because the connection is going through an additional piece of hardware. Most likely your router is outdated or is a crappy Linksys, Belkin, or Netgear. Cablevision does not "secretly" cap you.

batterup
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by Johndoe86753 See Profile :

Your an idiot.
Cablevision does not "secretly" cap you.
Cablevision did and does secretly cap subscribers. That is how I found my way here looking for answers. If you people don't like it you should not have done it.

I got rid of OOL and in a short time I will be able to get rid of Cablevision entirely.

La Luna
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said by Johndoe86753 See Profile :

Your an idiot. The connection slows down because the connection is going through an additional piece of hardware. Most likely your router is outdated or is a crappy Linksys, Belkin, or Netgear. Cablevision does not "secretly" cap you.
Have to disagree somewhat....it's no secret at all, they DO cap people on the 15/2 tier for excessive uploading. The person has to call to get uncapped.

However, there have been no substantiated reports of being capped on Boost. People have maxed out their uploading for days to test and it doesn't happen.
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Thinkdiff
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by La Luna See Profile :

said by Johndoe86753 See Profile :

Your an idiot. The connection slows down because the connection is going through an additional piece of hardware. Most likely your router is outdated or is a crappy Linksys, Belkin, or Netgear. Cablevision does not "secretly" cap you.
Have to disagree somewhat....it's no secret at all, they DO cap people on the 15/2 tier for excessive uploading. The person has to call to get uncapped.

However, there have been no substantiated reports of being capped on Boost. People have maxed out their uploading for days to test and it doesn't happen.
I believe he was referring to Batterup's comment that CV secretly caps router users, which is completely false.
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batterup
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by Thinkdiff See Profile :

I believe he was referring to Batterup's comment that CV secretly caps router users, which is completely false.
Most routers when used with OOL secretly cap the line; I stand by that statement. There is a FAQ on this about it.

jaa
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by batterup See Profile :

said by Thinkdiff See Profile :

I believe he was referring to Batterup's comment that CV secretly caps router users, which is completely false.
Most routers when used with OOL secretly cap the line; I stand by that statement. There is a FAQ on this about it.
Liar. There is no such faq.
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batterup
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by jaa See Profile :

Liar. There is no such faq.
You people can call me all the names you want. You can post ten thousand roll-eye-smiles but I will not be cowed by people with a self serving agenda.

»Optimum Online FAQ »What Routers are Compatible with OOL's 15/2 and 30/5 (BOOST) Plans?

jaa
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by batterup See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

Liar. There is no such faq.
You people can call me all the names you want. You can post ten thousand roll-eye-smiles but I will not be cowed by people with a self serving agenda.

»Optimum Online FAQ »What Routers are Compatible with OOL's 15/2 and 30/5 (BOOST) Plans?
Thanks for the reference; it proves you are either a complete moronic idiot, don't know how to read, or are just a trolling liar. Perhaps all 3.

That faq say nothing about routers that limit your speed - it lists router THAT DO NOT limit speed with OOL.
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GeekNJ
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

My Windows Pocket PC device can't reach max speeds so Verizon must cap Pocket PC devices too.

batterup
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said by jaa See Profile :



That faq say nothing about routers that limit your speed - it lists router THAT DO NOT limit speed with OOL.
You are not happy with my pointing out the short comings of OOL. Now that your logic has failed you resort to gutter tactics of name calling. Your history of insulting and brow beating posters into silence that don’t agree with the Cablevision manifesto will not work with me.

If there is a FAQ about what routers don't limit speed it shows that most routers do limit OOL speed. That is the essence and spirit of what I said.

GeekNJ
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by batterup See Profile :

If there is a FAQ about what routers don't limit speed it shows that most routers do limit OOL speed. That is the essence and spirit of what I said.
The only "spirit" must be the one you're consuming before you post.

The FAQ lists routers that subscribers (of which you aren't) have used and shown to provide full speed.

So your logic is yet again flawed. If every OOL customer used 4 routers, then 4 routers would be listed. The number of routers listed is irrelevant and as the FAQ specifically states...
There are many routers that seem to work with the new OOL speeds. It is impossible to list all of them here.

So, liar, WRONG AGAIN! There is obviously no end to which you'll go to embarrass yourself.

How is the inability for a 3rd party piece of hardware a "shortcoming of OOL" as you post in your reply above? Again, ANOTHER LIE!
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jaa
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said by batterup See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

That faq say nothing about routers that limit your speed - it lists router THAT DO NOT limit speed with OOL.
You are not happy with my pointing out the short comings of OOL. Now that your logic has failed you resort to gutter tactics of name calling. Your history of insulting and brow beating posters into silence that don’t agree with the Cablevision manifesto will not work with me.

If there is a FAQ about what routers don't limit speed it shows that most routers do limit OOL speed. That is the essence and spirit of what I said.
Liar. I do nothing of the sort - you are the only one I call a liar, moron, and idiot. And yes, I do realize that is just pointing out the obvious.
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said by batterup See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

Liar. There is no such faq.
You people can call me all the names you want. You can post ten thousand roll-eye-smiles but I will not be cowed by people with a self serving agenda.

»Optimum Online FAQ »What Routers are Compatible with OOL's 15/2 and 30/5 (BOOST) Plans?
What the hell is that? The FAQ that say what routers are compatible with OOL's speed tiers. It says nothing about "most routers when used with OOL SECRETLY cap the line....".

Routers are incapable of "capping".

The small amount of OVERHEAD mentioned will happen with ANY service when using a router (including your beloved FIOS).

Please learn the difference between "overhead" and "capping" before trolling posting idiocy.
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Thinkdiff
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said by batterup See Profile :

said by Thinkdiff See Profile :

I believe he was referring to Batterup's comment that CV secretly caps router users, which is completely false.
Most routers when used with OOL secretly cap the line; I stand by that statement. There is a FAQ on this about it.
You just changed your statement from "OOL's doing it" to "the router is doing it"... Make up your mind
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said by batterup See Profile :

said by Thinkdiff See Profile :

I believe he was referring to Batterup's comment that CV secretly caps router users, which is completely false.
Most routers when used with OOL secretly cap the line; I stand by that statement. There is a FAQ on this about it.
Those same routers cap my Verizon line. So Verizon secretly caps the line!

Now, you can't say Verizon doesn't cap any more. Verizon also naturally caps too.

And if I use a 10mb NIC card, my PC is capped by OOL and Verizon.

Of course, all the above is only if you believe the original lie that batterup is claiming. I think he's proven that NOTHING batterup posts has any merit at all. We can point back to this most recent lie and twisted logic in the next lie he throws out, the next BS post and the next OOL slam.
reccakun

join:2006-03-16
Brooklyn, NY
Is there a way legally uncap it?

deez20
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

speed should be pretty much the same with or without a router. I get about 25-26Mb through my linksys router. according to this link »Optimum Online FAQ »What Routers are Compatible with OOL's 15/2 and 30/5 (BOOST) Plans? the belkin should work and the dlink isn't listed. Might have a setting wrong on the belkin if your not getting proper speed.

GeekNJ
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said by reccakun See Profile :

Is there a way legally uncap it?
Don't believe batterup See Profile. He's just flat out lying!

SPI is an option in some routers. This option inspects every packet. A lot of routers that have this option don't have the horsepower to inspect every packet and not slow down the connection.

Both the routers you posted are wireless. Are you seeing the slower speed when wired?
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JoLI

@optonline.net

Had boost for about 5 mts, never gave any real extra speed always 20-21 down or less, up was great. OOL was here 4 times replaced everything from headend (checked it ) to node to pole (all new hardware) right to my modem (splitters) I also have 2 drops one is homerun to OOL modem....Boost never lived up to claims OOL techs, I had a fleet of them here up to regional bigshot, still scratching head. Cancelled boost told no one in my home I did and never heard a complaint. My so is a big gamer WOW 360 PS3 even he has no clue i dropped it.
reccakun

join:2006-03-16
Brooklyn, NY

All the setups I mention are connected through wires. I never like using the wireless option cause it can't utilize the max bandwidth that the router provides. On the D-Link router, I even clone the MAC address of the NIC on my computer but didn't help also. I don't have the belkin router right now, I'll see if it have the SPI setting later tonight when I can get it from my cousin. If that doesn't work, I might have to get a new router or cancel boost cause it need to connect to a router so my cousin and I could share it.

GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

I downloaded one of the Dlink manuals for the 524 and it's not listed as SPI but there are Filters and Firewall options (big buttons on the left side), that would be the equivalent. If you have filtering defined it needs to check all the requests to see if it should allow them or not and that could slow things down. Same for the Firewall options so minimize those to test if there's any improvement.
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StreetSpirit
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn, NY
·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

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uTorrent with the Netgear - LOTS of connections
Just a tidbit:

This router is very nice actually. I was trying to make it lock up by opening more and more sockets in the "ESTABLISHED" state. I also gave uTorrent a try.

Interestingly I did not modify any of my uTorrent settings, which allow for a LOT of connections. 200 per torrent, 600 overall.

Attached please find a screenshot.




For those folks who have this exact router, go to »www.netgear.com/Success/wgr614v6.aspx and update your firmware from the 1.x tree to the 2.x tree.

said by Netgear :
The firmware for this version is NOT compatible with earlier versions (It will not work on WGR614v5, WGR614v4, etc.) or "WGR614v6-TDC"

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reccakun

join:2006-03-16
Brooklyn, NY

I have tried the Belkin router also and it didn't work either. So i'm planning to go buy a new router - "D-Link - 802.11g Wireless Router WBR-1310" at bestbuy tomorrow. In the mean time, if anyone have any comment on this router, please let me know. Last, but not least, I wanna thank you all for the help and advice.

GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

It's not listed in the data at »Optimum Online FAQ »What Routers are Compatible with OOL's 15/2 and 30/5 (BOOST) Plans? but the list just represents routers people have reported using that didn't slow them down. It's not an exhaustive list (by any means) of all routers which would work fine.

If you get the Dlink and it works, let Irish Shark See Profile know so he can update the info.
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Ken Peterson
Premium
join:2000-12-08
That model doesn't look too good according to those who've bought it at NewEgg: »www.newegg.com/Product/Custratin···33127079

Ken Peterson
Premium
join:2000-12-08

If you're going to go BestBuy, at least consider the Netgear Super G Wireless Router Model: WGT624 - Sale: $66.49
»tinyurl.com/692a4 - you should have no problem with this. The SPI feature may slow you down a little but you can always disable it.

If you'd like one of the best routers (IMHO) for the price, check out the Linksys WRT54GL

»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···33124190

The cool thing about this router is that your can run 3rd-party firmware on it and have lots more options.
MLGTWISTED

join:2007-01-19
Melville, NY

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

Router really shouldn't do that.
reccakun

join:2006-03-16
Brooklyn, NY

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Woh.. those review at newegg.com is really bad on the D-Link. Thanks for the tip. I'll get the little more expensive Linksys router.

Ken Peterson
Premium
join:2000-12-08

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by reccakun See Profile :

Woh.. those review at newegg.com is really bad on the D-Link. Thanks for the tip. I'll get the little more expensive Linksys router.
Once you are up and running and wish to play around with any of the third-party firmwwares (beware, improper installation can turn your router into a brick), check out:

»www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php
and
»www.thibor.co.uk/

DD-WRT has more options, but Thibor looks and feels more like the stock firmware on steroids.

Imaman

join:2002-10-15
Woodbridge, CT

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

The linksys has a $10 rebate this month

jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
·Optimum Online
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I think Woody has a different OOL than the rest of us.

His OOL:
- Prohibited routers, while distributing them
- Caps boost
- Keeps cap if you upgrade to boost

He is the only one with those experiences, that are contrary to everyone elses.
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sillydoh

join:2003-05-31
Brooklyn, NY

said by reccakun See Profile :

Hi, all. I just order OOL Boost today and the download speed with excellent around 28-29Mbits if its directly connected to my computer. Once I hook it up to a router, the download speed dramatically decreases to around 14-15Mbits. I have tried it with 2 different branded routers but didn't help. Is the boost only works when directly connected from Modem to router? Or did I done something wrong? Any help will be appreciated.
The two routers you tried likely don't have enough horsepower to handle Boost speeds. I just switched to a Buffalo router (from a D-Link 524) and now I'm seeing Boost speeds.
richglen

join:2004-12-19
Fishkill, NY

Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

Buffalo is the way to go, I had both Linksys and a D-Link, both had speed issues and the Linksys WRT-54G had a problem with VPN's that prior "slower" models did not. The Buffalo (WHR-HP-G54) I purchased many months ago gives me my rated speeds constantly, a few bucks more but much better all around.
reccakun

join:2006-03-16
Brooklyn, NY

Yes. The D-Link DI 524 is underpowered. I bought the Linksys BEFSR41 from bestbuy and it worked. They don't have the LINKSYS WRT54GL that you guys mentioned and I don't need wireless, so I got the BEFSR41 instead at $40 .
MauroV

join:2007-03-03
Croton On Hudson, NY

Hi all....

I am a new user, just dumped DSL and signed up for Boost.

But not too happy with my speed. I am getting downstream of 11.193 Mbps on the wired and 4.1 on the wireless. Since I am using the "approved router, do you have any suggestions?
router model: linksys wrt54GS.

Since I can't find my router manual..any suggestions to help me increase the speed will be great.

My old PC (windows XP) connected via a wire to the router is the fastest machine. My two mac powerbooks (one brand new Intel mac) are the slow machines via wireless.

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WoodyLI

join:2003-04-10

I really don't memorize the TOS for the previous six years since I've had OOL so maybe I'm wrong about that but cablevision was very clear that they provided no tech support with a router hooked up to the modem and you needed to directly connect a computer before they would provide support. In fact, this is a major reason routers today have MAC spoofing so you could fool your cable modem into thinking it's hooked up to the primary account computer.

It's one thing to question my statement as some have but personally I think it's obvious that anyone who actually goes back and researches previous TOS agreements from cablevision simply to counter my post either has absolutely no life or they work for cablevision (directly or indirectly). I'd have more respect for these guys if they simply admitted why they are so hot for a particular ISP. There's only one company that I might lose sleep over taking a public relations slap and that's the company that signs my paycheck.

Obviously all this has changed so the entire argument is irrelevant except for those who have late night fantasies about Dolan or get a paycheck from him (includes all those who appear to take this personally).

I never stated that cablevision capped accounts using routers and I really didn't want to discuss it. I'd prefer to keep this and other threads on topic.

All the talk about losing a little speed with a router isn't necessarily relevant either IMO. It's fun to run speed tests on your ISP but how may web, FTP, torrent, or any other sites actually are going to provide you with a direct speed that even comes close to OOL's advertised speed.

What I mean is....if you are getting 12.0 mbps dl with the router hooked up vs. maybe 20.0 mbps dl without the router, are you even going to notice any speed difference when downloading a large file or a Windows update? I've never tested it but my guess is the results would be the same. Maybe if you hooked up many computers and tried to dl at the same time you might see a difference but for the average home user with maybe three or four PCs a slower router is still sufficient.

Again....for the sake of sane people everywhere, drop the crying everytime someone mentions the word "cap."

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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
I just noticed that when one orders Boost Cablevision offers a router.
quote:
Choose Your Gift

Netgear wireless router.
What model is the router and what speeds does one get with it?

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serge666

join:2004-06-07
Little Falls, NJ

ANYWAY, to OP, your router sucks :P

get a D-Link DGL-4300

I did and I get NO slowdown what so ever. It's like having the modem directly connected to my computer. Just set the router's upload speed manually and set gamefuel to auto and you're set. If need be, set your IP to DMZ. Oh and be sure that you change the router's IP to something other than 192.168.1.1 to avoid conflics.

La Luna
Surviving Ashraful
Premium
join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
·Vonage

The bottom line is that there is NO speed/performance issues when using any router that is compatible with Boost.

These are my speeds with a Linksys WRT54GS with firewall turned on:



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tonyfer2

join:2002-08-14
Elizabeth, NJ
clubs:

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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

/i have the same belkin and i get almost full speed.......
26932/4519 Cablevision tonyfer Elizabeth, NJ, USA NYC, NY, USA 14

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
All of you know that if it wasn't for FIOS you would be at dial-up speed. Verizon has force Jim to do the right thing.

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jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
·Optimum Online
·Vonage

Look like we finally have the answer to "Which came first - the chicken or the egg?" Clearly it was cable broadband.
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