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batterup
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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.

WoodyLI

join:2003-04-10

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
This used to be the case and Cablevision specifically forbid the use of routers in it's terms of service but I'd never heard of any capping as a result. That was several years ago and they gradually changed their policy to allow the use of routers but not provide any tech support unless you removed it. Now they fully support routers and even hook them up for you if you request it.

It is still a violation of the terms of service to share the connection with anyone beyond your household but considering the liability of doing that it's not a good idea anyway. You never can be completely sure that nice old man living next door to you isn't a serial child killer stalking kids online using your account. lol

Their boost service department will tell you that running a router will reduce your speeds. Some routers are faster than others. In any case, when you change from a direct connection to a router you should do a hard reboot of your cable modem since the modem ties itself to the MAC address of the first device connected to it.

You could connect to your computer directly and check speeds are good. Then spoof your computer's MAC address in the router and change the name of the router to hide it's identity. If you still have problems try updating the router's firmware or using a third party firmware that may be more optimized for higher speeds. Another option is to build your own router with an old PC and Linux using higher quality NIC cards but that is pretty advanced stuff and you have to run it 24/7 sucking down a lot more electricity than a small router.


StreetSpirit
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reply to batterup
said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
It's one thing to go back and forth and joke when arguing with regular forum posters who are in the know, but it is despicable to reply to a person seriously seeking help with this type of comment.

To the original poster - as people have already mentioned, not all consumer routers can handle the downstream speed. We have a FAQ with a routers that have proven to work well with boost in the forum the links to which have already been posted.

Batterup, I'm really shaking my head man. This wasn't cool.

Dave


StreetSpirit
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reply to WoodyLI
said by WoodyLI See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
This used to be the case ... snip

Forbidding the use of routers when trying to diagnose a problem and ** FORBIDDING THE USE OF ROUTERS PERIOD ** are two very different things.

If you were diagnosing connectivity, would you rather troubleshoot with a router in the mix, or would you first ask the customer to attach his modem directly to a PC and see if connectivity is restored? I doubt you'd choose the former. I doubt anyone would not take the step and try ruling out the router.

So what in the world is wrong with this? If tech support years ago would require it.. Now I've been using OOL for what, 3 or 4 years now and I've never been told to disconnect my router. By the time I called in, IT WAS ALREADY DISCONNECTED, which is what proper troubleshooting procedure dictates.

Jeez Louise, now they're capping their routers. You and Batterup up with a new one daily.

Dave

WoodyLI

join:2003-04-10

To clarify. My first OOL subscription specifically stated that the use of a router to share the connection with more than one computer was prohibited. Cablevision reserves the right to disconnect service when in violation of the terms of service.

Please don't quote me out of context or box multiple quotes to throw people off and derail the thread. Before you quote me again or presume certain implications from this post please review my last post.


GeekNJ
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When did you get OOL? I got it in 2001 when it first became available in my area and there was no restriction on using a router.

I went to »www.archive.org and for optimumonline.com the first TOS link is under the Jan 2000 entry and there's no mention of routers in it.
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RickNY
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reply to WoodyLI
said by WoodyLI See Profile :

To clarify. My first OOL subscription specifically stated that the use of a router to share the connection with more than one computer was prohibited.
The OOL terms of service have NEVER prohibited the use of a router. The only mention of this in the TOS (and still is there exactly as it was when the service first launched) is the section that states Cablevision is not responsible for "Any Subscriber who, 1. chooses to participate in the Optimum Online Service using other than a single, stand-alone Computer connected to the local segment, if and when this capability is offered"

Stop making blatant lies because it may seem convenient for your cause. Again, this was NEVER prohibited -- if it was ever stated, there would never have been any issue on how to answer the question when people came here asking if it was allowed.


jaa
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reply to batterup
said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
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StreetSpirit
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reply to WoodyLI
Hi WoodyLI See Profile,

That's kind of odd, as they have a promotion going for several years where they'll send you a freebie router. Anyhow, it's news to me. I've been on the network for just under 4 years and during the time I've had it, routers were never prohibited, but rather actually encouraged and shipped as freebies to many folks, myself included.

When troubleshooting of course you might be asked to disconnect your router and connect straight, but there was never anything in my TOS/AUP and I read them with a fine toothed comb, as I wasn't a happy camper with the capping and all and wanted to know what else was prohibited.

I remember reading the TOS very carefully and really don't remember anything about routers. Even the word "router" was never used in the TOS (and still isn't.) At or around that time I remember asking an OOL tech if it was alright to run ICS and he said sure and recommended I invest in a consumer router for sharing PCs. This was a few years back as the hot SoHo routers those days were the Linksys BEFSR series and the Netgear rebranded Zyxel Prestige's.

With BOOST, I use a Cisco 851. Someone on the forum uses it's bigger cousin the 871. They work well but are more expensive than the usual consumer routers.

Lastly, at least for the last two years if not longer, OOL has been running a promotion for new customers where they'll send you a Netgear WGR614 or an MP3 Player and charge you $29.99 for the first six months

I received my freebie Netgear WGR614_v6 router prior to the 15/2 bump-up in speed on regular OOL, so it served me well for about a year. When OOL bumped everyone up to 15/2, the router became a bottleneck (and maxed out at around 12mbps running wired/firewalls off.)

Why would a company prohibit something on one hand and turn around to offer it as a freebie in another. That's simply silly, and is not the case as far as I can remember.

Snapped 2007-03-02 19:43:32

»www.optimum.com/online/gwp.jsp


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PS Regarding the Netgear WGR614_v6, the promo is actually still there after all this time (they extend it at the end of each month as far as I can see.) : »www.optimum.com/online/gwp.jsp - Have your pick of a Lexmark Printer or a Netgear router. It used to be an MP3 player or a router. There was also an offer for six months of OOL $23.99 with a free router to entice current AOL users. So this comes as rather strange indeed.


batterup
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reply to jaa
said by jaa See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?


jaa
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said by batterup See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?
Verizon FIOS.
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StreetSpirit
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reply to batterup
Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by batterup See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?
LOL.

Should we rattle off a list of all the world's providers which offer speeds in excess of what a cheap, low memory, low horsepower consumer router can't handle?

Got about an hour?

Let's take one well known example and not look too hard.

Everyone has heard of the Swedish ISP, Bredbands Bolaget or BBB as commonly abbreviated.

Due to Sweden's highly pro-active broadband policy, they are able to offer 100/10mbit connections for 229 Swedish Kronen monthly [That's $32.41 at current exchange rates] . They also offering ADSL 2+ and VDSL service at speeds of 20 and 24mbit 2 and 3 mbit upstream respectively.

Let's see what the world famous BBB has to say about routers:


said by BredBandBolaget, a Swedish ISP (Accurate Translation) :
"Your computer & router:

Your computer and possible router influences largely the experience of yours Internet connection. A fast connection requires that your computer quickly handle the traffic that is sent and received. Older computers and operating systems can thereby offer a slow broadband experience, or not function at all. The use of a router can cause the same problem. Both computers and routers can cause bottlenecks.

Troubleshooting should begin with your connection always disconnected from your router and connected to your computer - to bypass your router, i e. connect computer direct to modem / broadband device, and then to reboot the computer.

Another possibility is to try the internet with another computer.

If your connection functions poorly or not at all, perform these steps:

* Disconnect possible router, switch and/or VOIP device. Connect the computer direct to the modem/the broad band levying device with a network cable.

* Check if connection functions without router and/or with new computer. If the connection functions up to speed without router, please refer to yours router support.
"





said by BredBandBolaget, a Swedish ISP (Original Text) :
Din dator & router:

Din dator och eventuell router påverkar i hög grad upplevelsen av din Internetuppkoppling. En snabb uppkoppling kräver att din dator snabbt kan hantera den trafik som skickas och tas emot. Äldre datorer och operativsystem kan därmed göra att bredbandet upplevs långsamt eller inte fungera alls. Användning av routrar kan orsaka samma problem. Både datorer och routrar kan låsa sig. Har du problem med din uppkoppling starta därför alltid om din router och därefter din dator. Hjälper inte detta ska du alltid koppla förbi din router, dvs. ansluta dator direkt till modem/bredbandsuttag, och därefter starta om datorn. Har du möjlighet, prova alltid med en annan dator. Skulle det fortfarande inte fungera med den andra datorn ligger felet troligtvis i själva uppkopplingen. Skulle det däremot fungera med den andra datorn ligger felet i din vanliga dator och inte i själva uppkopplingen.

Om din uppkoppling skulle fungerar dåligt eller inte alls, gör detta:

* Koppla bort eventuell router, switch och/eller telefondosa. Anslut datorn direkt till modemet/bredbandsuttaget med en nätverkskabel.
* Kontrollera om uppkoppling fungerar utan router och/eller med ny dator. Fungerar uppkopplingen utan routern, vänd dig till din routersupport. Fungerar uppkopplingen med annan dator, vänd dig till din datorsupport.




Look up any other ISP in the world which offers >15mbit connections in the world and I bet they have something very similar in their support literature.

jaa See Profile was quite correct. FIOS is limited by a cheap router - why do you think Verizon gives you an Actiontech built to their specifications? And why is it that the DLINK given out prior to the Actiontech had custom firmware which was "tweaked" (and perhaps extra ram/cpu enhancements) for FIOS speeds.

Perhaps Verizon's "free router" is motivated less by benevolence and more by having a standard device among the entire customer base which is known to keep up with the speeds and the techs can be trained to support. It's far easier to offer support for one router model than for every router make and model that a person might call in with.

What are you going to pick on next? The ethernet cable packaged with the modems?



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GeekNJ
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reply to batterup
said by batterup See Profile :

Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?
No speed degradation if you have a capable router. Another lie from batterup. As proven by hundreds of posters including the individuals that responded below your lie.

Now can you show me another ISP besides Verizon, that reduces your Internet bandwidth when you watch a HD VOD on your TV service? Why is watching TV now impacting the Internet I'm paying for? Verizon is capping my Internet, deliberately proving me less bandwidth, when I watch TV. Go ahead Ivan, spin away.
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jaa
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reply to WoodyLI
said by WoodyLI See Profile :

To clarify. My first OOL subscription specifically stated that the use of a router to share the connection with more than one computer was prohibited. Cablevision reserves the right to disconnect service when in violation of the terms of service.

Please don't quote me out of context or box multiple quotes to throw people off and derail the thread. Before you quote me again or presume certain implications from this post please review my last post.
I have quoted your entire post, so I hope you don't see this as being "out of context".

Perhapse the OOL you subscribed to had such a statement in their TOS. It has never been in my TOS, or in the TOS of several other people who have replied here.

Again, probably just a case of your OOL being different that everyone elses.
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bohn

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reply to GeekNJ
How about sympatico up in Canada. They limit your download speed to 3 megabits per second on vdsl. Then there's the caps of 30 gigabytes per month combined download plus upload no newsgroups email that never works the tv signal always pixelates you pay a fortune much more than in America.

Johndoe86753

join:2007-03-22
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reply to batterup
Your an idiot. The connection slows down because the connection is going through an additional piece of hardware. Most likely your router is outdated or is a crappy Linksys, Belkin, or Netgear. Cablevision does not "secretly" cap you.


batterup
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said by Johndoe86753 See Profile :

Your an idiot.
Cablevision does not "secretly" cap you.
Cablevision did and does secretly cap subscribers. That is how I found my way here looking for answers. If you people don't like it you should not have done it.

I got rid of OOL and in a short time I will be able to get rid of Cablevision entirely.


La Luna
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said by Johndoe86753 See Profile :

Your an idiot. The connection slows down because the connection is going through an additional piece of hardware. Most likely your router is outdated or is a crappy Linksys, Belkin, or Netgear. Cablevision does not "secretly" cap you.
Have to disagree somewhat....it's no secret at all, they DO cap people on the 15/2 tier for excessive uploading. The person has to call to get uncapped.

However, there have been no substantiated reports of being capped on Boost. People have maxed out their uploading for days to test and it doesn't happen.
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Thinkdiff
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said by La Luna See Profile :

said by Johndoe86753 See Profile :

Your an idiot. The connection slows down because the connection is going through an additional piece of hardware. Most likely your router is outdated or is a crappy Linksys, Belkin, or Netgear. Cablevision does not "secretly" cap you.
Have to disagree somewhat....it's no secret at all, they DO cap people on the 15/2 tier for excessive uploading. The person has to call to get uncapped.

However, there have been no substantiated reports of being capped on Boost. People have maxed out their uploading for days to test and it doesn't happen.
I believe he was referring to Batterup's comment that CV secretly caps router users, which is completely false.
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